+robardin he/him Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Bzhydack said: Why Odium was surpriced and scared when Dalinar make his famous clap? For me it is relativly simple - Odium was scared because Dalinar did something what shouldnt be possible for mortal, Radiant or not. Open Perpendicularity isnt small thing, this is something what can be made only by entity with power on Shards level. Is also second thing - Dalinar did something what Odium wasnt able to predict - and he has really good futuresight. So what Dalinar did was like: "You think you know future? Nah" - and this is scary, because this mean every your plans can fall apart. Definitely that's what really freaked Odium out - when Dalinar did not succumb to The Thrill, as all his future sight had told him would happen. He was so sure of that, he accepted the "contest of champions" thing that (if Mr. T is correct) he is now hampered from direct action to avoid concluding. And indeed, Dalinar did something that "should not have been possible", as even the Stormfather is surprised - he had bonded Bondsmiths before, perhaps a hundred times, and a Bondsmith "renewing spheres" was something that had never happened. To which Dalinar replied they were something new, as the Stormfather now had a Splinter of Honor grafted onto him. Who knows, perhaps that "grafting", like Dalinar's "pruning", came courtesy of Cultivation? 59 minutes ago, Ishar said: I am gonna ask the question here, did Dalinar even actually ascend? Summoning a perpendicularity is certainly impressive, but (correct me if I am wrong) I don't think you actually have to Ascend to do that. No, I don't think Dalinar Ascended, not even temporarily, as happened at the Well of Ascension in Mistborn (no spoilers leaked there with that sentenc, yeah, not with that name?). I think what he did was somehow... Bond the Splintered remnants of Honor in the Stormfather in a way that allowed the Perpendicularity to form. I think it's similar to how Syl described the dead spren Shardblades needing to "sync to a heartbeat" in order to "live a little again" to be able to be dismissed and summoned from mist (crossing the Cognitive/Physical Realm boundary). Tanavast the Vessel of Honor is dead, and Honor the Shard is dead and Splintered... But a large enough piece remains with the Stormfather that a "remnant of Honor" can be synced with.
The Skybreakers he/him Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, robardin said: I think it's similar to how Syl described the dead spren Shardblades needing to "sync to a heartbeat" in order to "live a little again" to be able to be dismissed and summoned from mist (crossing the Cognitive/Physical Realm boundary). Tanavast the Vessel of Honor is dead, and Honor the Shard is dead and Splintered... But a large enough piece remains with the Stormfather that a "remnant of Honor" can be synced with. Ooh- do you think dalinar could "revive" honours remnants, so that *someone* can ascend, and then they can trap Odium again...
+robardin he/him Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, The Skybreakers said: Ooh- do you think dalinar could "revive" honours remnants, so that *someone* can ascend, and then they can trap Odium again... Well unless Odium did something wrong, Splintering a Shard's power is supposed to make it very difficult to reassemble the Shard back into something that can be Ascension-worthy. In fact, his offhand comment to Dalinar the first time he talks to him suggests he's already decided he didn't Splinter Honor enough. Quote "You have been placed in a difficult position, my son," Odium said, "You are the first to bond the Stormfather in his current state. Did you know that? You are deeply connected to the remnants of a god." ... "And you can't just... leave?" Dalinar asked. "Without killing anyone?" ... "A man cannot serve two gods at once, Dalinar," Odium said. "And so, I cannot leave [Cultivation] behind. In fact, I cannot leave behind the Splinters of Honor, as I once thought I could. I can already see that going wrong. Once you release me, my transformation of this realm will be substantial." Note that Odium uses the plural, so I wonder where the other "Splinters of Honor" are? The Radiant spren? Or perhaps The Sibling is also a Splinter of Honor? The Stormfather wasn't always a Splinter of Honor, though, was he? I believe there's a WoB that as the spren of the highstorms, he predates the Shattering of Adonalsium.
Eternal Khol he/him Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, robardin said: Note that Odium uses the plural, so I wonder where the other "Splinters of Honor" are? The Radiant spren? Or perhaps The Sibling is also a Splinter of Honor? literally almost any spren you see is a splinter of Honor. theyre not that hard to find 15 minutes ago, robardin said: The Stormfather wasn't always a Splinter of Honor, though, was he? I believe there's a WoB that as the spren of the highstorms, he predates the Shattering of Adonalsium. he was still a spren, which were still presumably splinters before the Shattering. also, even before the Shattering, investiture was Associated with certain Shards(even though they didnt exist yet) so Stormfather should still have been a splinter of Honor, even though Adonalsium created him.
NightbloodforPM Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 I have seen many people speculate about how he was talking about adonalsium. What if he picked up a splinter of unbroken adonalsium? I know anything that had split prior to the shattering is now "associated" with a particular shard. But does that mean if it was a mix that it divided up appropriately? I.e. if it was 1 part honour and 1 part odium it divided as such or does it stay as the original mix even though the shattering took place later
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