Tiberius Gracchus Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 So am I correct is believing that we still do not have a conclusive answer on what ends a particular desolation. Obviously the Heralds returning to Braize is the true end but when do they decide that a desolation is won. The only thing I can think of is when they have "killed" all of the fused, but that doesn't make sense as it it implied by Kalak's prelude that desolations would end with a (often closely fought) final battle that the heralds could predict would be the final battle before hand. (shown by the heralds having a pre-set meeting place for after the battle to start the return to Braize) Given the powers of the fused it seems that even if they lost a battle they would be very easy for some of them to just fly off and hide preventing the end of the desolation. But if it is not the fused, then what is it? Tib 2
Honorless he/him Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Yeah, sounds about right. We don't know what ends a Desolation. We know that there have been Desolations where the Heralds have survived and had to go back to Braize voluntarily, iirc. Unless even one Herald getting "killed"/captured was enough? We don't even know how the other side even managed to kill Heralds, aside from the Unmade.
Quantus he/him Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 relevant WOB: Quote luke.spence (paraphrased) What caused a Desolation to end? Was it just the defeat of Odium's forces? Because the Desolations start when the Heralds break under torture. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Because the Heralds can no longer be in existence. There is a certain period of time that they can be there, and after that, if they're there, they will start a new one. So the Heralds do need to leave for a Desolation to end darkanimereal1 (paraphrased) Oh. So they've got a time limit. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They do. Otherwise the Desolation will start again. What they discovered is not all of them have to. As long as one remains, the Desolation will not start again. luke.spence (paraphrased) So, by the nine leaving, did that actually break the Oathpact for them? Did it change the cycle of Desolations? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They have not completely broken the Oathpact, despite what they may think. Words of Radiance Dayton signing (March 19, 2014) 2
TheWadehart he/him Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Ok, then that means a countdown timer started once Taln returned. So some questions. WHEN and WHERE did Taln return? I mean, was it right outside of Kholinar's gates when Hoid greeted him? Or was it even earlier when Venli was being influenced by the Void Spren (forgot his name). ? What effect did Jezrein's 'true' death have on the timer?
Tiberius Gracchus Posted January 10, 2020 Author Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, TheWadehart said: WHEN and WHERE did Taln return? I mean, was it right outside of Kholinar's gates when Hoid greeted him? Or was it even earlier when Venli was being influenced by the Void Spren (forgot his name). ? Yeah the exact mechanics of the beginning of this new desolation is quite confusing. What exactly changed the moment that Taln broke? How much of the process was sidestepped by the Everstorm? What would have happened if Gavilar and the Son's of Honor's plans(whatever the hell they may have been) were enacted?
+Oltux72 he/him Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 0:48 AM, Tiberius Gracchus said: So am I correct is believing that we still do not have a conclusive answer on what ends a particular desolation. Obviously the Heralds returning to Braize is the true end but when do they decide that a desolation is won. I suspect when they feel like it and militarily they have won. On 10/01/2020 at 0:48 AM, Tiberius Gracchus said: The only thing I can think of is when they have "killed" all of the fused, but that doesn't make sense as it it implied by Kalak's prelude that desolations would end with a (often closely fought) final battle that the heralds could predict would be the final battle before hand. There is no reason a desolation would need to end really technically. A Desolation used to mean that each Fused could return to Roshar once. After they had used up that ability, then what would it mean that a desolation ends? The ability is gone, one way or the other. 13 hours ago, TheWadehart said: Ok, then that means a countdown timer started once Taln returned. Well, probably, but it did not matter. They were not using the conventional mechanism anyway. And we do not know whether the Fused in turn reset the timer. The timer works against the Heralds. Yet I cannot see how it would matter while the Everstorm is blowing. The Fused can return again and again anyway. In fact, I cannot see a way for the Knights Radiant to win, while the storm is blowing. So they delay while they are researching ways to kill the Everstorm.
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