Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 So how many people from bridge 4 have already become radiant we have kaladin, teft and lopen But do you think that skar and drehy have also sworn their 2nd oath and thus are at the same level as lopen? Also whose next? Any ideas?
+Invocation Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, The traveller said: But do you think that skar and drehy have also sworn their 2nd oath and thus are at the same level as lopen? I'm pretty sure they have, at some point in the Kholinar debacle. When they got back with Gavinor, Drehy said "We protect those who cannot protect themselves." That seems to imply that they either swore it at some point in that time frame, or are very close to doing so. 22 minutes ago, The traveller said: Also whose next? Any ideas? Sigzil might become a Radiant, but I kind of doubt he'd be a Windrunner, honestly. He seems more like an Edgedancer or a Truthwatcher to me. Past that, who knows? Just about anyone could hit the point. Edited October 9, 2019 by Invocation
RShara she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, The traveller said: So how many people from bridge 4 have already become radiant we have kaladin, teft and lopen But do you think that skar and drehy have also sworn their 2nd oath and thus are at the same level as lopen? Also whose next? Any ideas? I don't think Skar and Drehy have yet, otherwise they wouldn't have needed Kaladin to come pick them up at the end of Oathbringer. I imagine they will soon, though, due to their actions there.
Merlin Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 I'm a little confused, though. Teft swore the Third Ideal, right? So does that make him on the same level as Kaladin?
Calderis he/him Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, WannabeWorldhopper said: I'm a little confused, though. Teft swore the Third Ideal, right? So does that make him on the same level as Kaladin? Yes. Until Kaladin deals with his issues a bit and hits the fourth. Which is why I've seen people honestly speculate about Teft getting plate before him.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Yes. Until Kaladin deals with his issues a bit and hits the fourth. Which is why I've seen people honestly speculate about Teft getting plate before him. Even if he does, I don’t think we will see it until kaladin does! He has to be the first one to do it on-screen/ on page. He is our oathsperson. @Invocation Quote Sigzil might become a Radiant, but I kind of doubt he'd be a Windrunner, honestly. He seems more like an Edgedancer or a Truthwatcher to me. Past that, who knows? Just about anyone could hit the point. Hmm why not lightweaver? He might have a few juicy truths to share!! He is very logical minded too so elsecaller while we are at it. And I really think Rock has a good chance to be next because he has a novella coming and peaks should be important in SA 4 and he surely will be at the centre of it. He might need to protect his people! Edited October 9, 2019 by The traveller
Winds Alight she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 6 hours ago, RShara said: I don't think Skar and Drehy have yet, otherwise they wouldn't have needed Kaladin to come pick them up at the end of Oathbringer. I imagine they will soon, though, due to their actions there. My guess is that if Drehy hasn't sworn it before and simply didn't have enough Stormlight to get anywhere, the moment he said the words to Kaladin when he came to get them definitely counts.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Winds Alight said: My guess is that if Drehy hasn't sworn it before and simply didn't have enough Stormlight to get anywhere, the moment he said the words to Kaladin when he came to get them definitely counts. we know that the time it counts, there is a sudden surge of stormlight and a glyph is formed saying windrunners.. so the time they said it to kaladin that was not the moment. but that is my trouble here, if doing all of this and protecting gavinor was not enough to count as ideal sworn, then when? may be it will be shown in SA 4, that they have become 2nd level radiants.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 7 hours ago, RShara said: I don't think Skar and Drehy have yet, otherwise they wouldn't have needed Kaladin to come pick them up at the end of Oathbringer. I imagine they will soon, though, due to their actions there. May be they have sworn and have become radiants, but they simply did not have enough gemstones to carry that much stormlight that would enable them to fly all the way back to urithiru. May be they are just not trained enough, they did not feel that they could carry ten or more people during the highstorms. It is not easy and during the trip to kholinar, kaladin was doing much of the lashing others to enable them to fly. Their job was to simply fly below and lash someone in case anyone accidently fell.
+Invocation Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 7 hours ago, The traveller said: Hmm why not lightweaver? He might have a few juicy truths to share!! He is very logical minded too so elsecaller while we are at it. Sig doesn't put up a bunch of false faces like the Lightweavers are supposed to, and while he is somewhat of a scholar, 1) none of the inkspren besides Ivory are open to bonding yet and 2) his tales from other lands that include a moral does not seem to be the kind of thing that would attract their attention. Seems much more Truthwatcher (using knowledge to benefit others) to me. He also seems very Edgedancer-y because he does tend to notice the people that everyone else is ignoring, botht through the tales and the thing like with Lyn while the rest were practicing their squire stuff, where he was paying attention to what she needed instead of zipping around (because he couldn't). 8 hours ago, The traveller said: And I really think Rock has a good chance to be next because he has a novella coming and peaks should be important in SA 4 and he surely will be at the centre of it. He might need to protect his people! I don't agree with that. I like Rock the way he is, and become a Radiant would kind of spoil some of his special-ness. Plus, I really don't think he'd bond an Honorspren if he did, given the Horneaters and their decidedly Cultivation leanings. I think Rock's novella is mostly going to cover how important he actually is at the peaks, because there's no way he isn't someone special.
TheGirlWhoLookedUp she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 8 hours ago, The traveller said: And I really think Rock has a good chance to be next because he has a novella coming and peaks should be important in SA 4 and he surely will be at the centre of it. He might need to protect his people! I could be wrong here, but with Rock I think we have already seen him come close to his 2nd Ideal. When Kaladin was about to be stabbed by Amaram during the battle of Thaylen City, Rock used the Shardbow to kill Amaram. He was protecting Kaladin, but also he was fighting. We saw Rock obviously conflicted about it later. He didn’t swear an Ideal there, but I bet he’s coming close.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGirlWhoLookedUp said: I could be wrong here, but with Rock I think we have already seen him come close to his 2nd Ideal. When Kaladin was about to be stabbed by Amaram during the battle of Thaylen City, Rock used the Shardbow to kill Amaram. He was protecting Kaladin, but also he was fighting. We saw Rock obviously conflicted about it later. He didn’t swear an Ideal there, but I bet he’s coming close. I will protect those I love even if to do that I have to kill someone
Winds Alight she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, The traveller said: we know that the time it counts, there is a sudden surge of stormlight and a glyph is formed saying windrunners.. so the time they said it to kaladin that was not the moment. but that is my trouble here, if doing all of this and protecting gavinor was not enough to count as ideal sworn, then when? may be it will be shown in SA 4, that they have become 2nd level radiants. I'd say this is due to the placing in the story - we have Drehy say the words and then cut to another scene. We all know by this point what these words mean, so why drag the scene out iwhen everyone knows what's happening?
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 That’s possible I also thought that the very fact that they said those words like that to kaladin and showed him Gavinor suggested that they have indeed sworn the words
RShara she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, The traveller said: May be they have sworn and have become radiants, but they simply did not have enough gemstones to carry that much stormlight that would enable them to fly all the way back to urithiru. May be they are just not trained enough, they did not feel that they could carry ten or more people during the highstorms. It is not easy and during the trip to kholinar, kaladin was doing much of the lashing others to enable them to fly. Their job was to simply fly below and lash someone in case anyone accidently fell. Several highstorms passed while they were traveling, though.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 9, 2019 Author Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, RShara said: Several highstorms passed while they were traveling, though. Yes but if you have few and small gemstones it would not matter how many highstorms came and went kaladin and shallan were carrying the bigger gems I think because they were trying to operate the oathgate
Kalaksbreath he/him Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) I just think that Skar and Drehy just didn't know the way back to Urithiru. (edit) and just didn't want to get lost Edited October 9, 2019 by Kalaksbreath
Vindo Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 I think it will be that Skar and Drehy hadn't yet sworn the oaths at the end of Oathbringer but will during the 1 year time gap.
Solant he/him Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 13 hours ago, The traveller said: I will protect those I love even if to do that I have to kill someone I will protect those I hate, even airsick lowlanders
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Solant said: I will protect those I hate, even airsick lowlanders nice, but he does not hate his airsick lowlanders.. he loves them too much!
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Vindo said: I think it will be that Skar and Drehy hadn't yet sworn the oaths at the end of Oathbringer but will during the 1 year time gap. Do you think the reason why they might not have sworn the oath yet is because they could not attract honor spren in alethkar because it has been taken over by voidbringers. Venli had timbre because she had already attracted her before coming to alethkar i dont know how but this got posted in the wrong thread despite quoting vindo!!!
Vindo Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 15 hours ago, The traveller said: Do you think the reason why they might not have sworn the oath yet is because they could not attract honor spren in alethkar because it has been taken over by voidbringers. Venli had timbre because she had already attracted her before coming to alethkar i dont know how but this got posted in the wrong thread despite quoting vindo!!! Um.. I think it was more circumstance that too much had already happened in the book and Brian Sanderson was trying to wrap up the book. That could be a an explanation he uses though or they just hadn't progressed far enough yet to fly on their own.
Solant he/him Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Vindo said: I think it was more circumstance that too much had already happened in the book and Brian Sanderson was trying to wrap up the book. That could be a an explanation he uses though or they just hadn't progressed far enough yet to fly on their own. I'm leaning toward this, and just not feeling the need to show every oath of every minor Radiant we meet. I suspect when we see them again, several will have sworn oaths off screen in the time gap.
Winds Alight she/her Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Vindo said: Um.. I think it was more circumstance that too much had already happened in the book and Brian Sanderson was trying to wrap up the book. That could be a an explanation he uses though or they just hadn't progressed far enough yet to fly on their own. Yup. I doubt Kaladin would have been able to fly a group of refugees through half of Roshar at 2nd Oath.
Calderis he/him Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 We know they didn't actually swear the second. Quote Snote Would you be willing to confirm if Skar is a proto-Radiant (on the same level as The Lopen?) It is implied by his statement of "We protect those who cannot protect themselves", which is obviously an affirmation of the oath, if not an outright swearing of it. I could see it being either/or. He's a good man that did what he thought the order, and he himself, wanted or he just became a Radiant on the same level as Kaladin during the Battle of the Tower. Thanks for your time. I understand if you can't/won't answer that at this time. It's simply a curiosity, so I get it if you're a bit too busy to answer. Brandon Sanderson By the end of Book Three, I'd put Skar very close to (though not quite at the level of) Lopen along the way toward full Radiant-hood. General Reddit 2018 (July 16, 2018) I'd be surprised if they aren't there after the one year gap. As to the reason why... I mean, who really knows? There's so many factors to becoming a Radiant, not least of which is number of spren willing to bond, that there are a ton of possible reasons that are viable.
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