blackout8444 he/him Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 I have been pretty interested in Ishar's plan killing all the proto-radiants. I had the idea that his reasoning may have to do with when he "thrust order upon them" and threatened to destroy the surgebinders if they didn't accept the oaths. My idea is that he told Nale to kill the new radiants because he thought they wouldn't have the same order as the previous radiants, and thought that could be dangerous. What thoughts or other ideas do you guys have on this, and are there other discussions that go over this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, blackout8444 said: I have been pretty interested in Ishar's plan killing all the proto-radiants. I had the idea that his reasoning may have to do with when he "thrust order upon them" and threatened to destroy the surgebinders if they didn't accept the oaths. My idea is that he told Nale to kill the new radiants because he thought they wouldn't have the same order as the previous radiants, and thought that could be dangerous. What thoughts or other ideas do you guys have on this, and are there other discussions that go over this? I actually think that it is in line with his "thrusting order upon them" but I do t think it has anything to do with the oaths (I don't think Ishar "created" the oaths in the first place). The "Orders" as organizations died at the recreance. There is no existing structure to teach what the oaths mean. People are free to interpret the oaths as they will, the same as before he created the orders. This is why we can have Malata doing what she is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindo Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Given that all the hearlds seem to have gone insane because of the abandonment of their own oaths and that their insanity seems to relate to their order. I believe that Ishar's insanity being the patron saint of bondsmiths, is causing him to work against the radiant's. Also Nale's loyalty to Ishar (which Szeth seems to mirror with Dalinar), blinds him to not seeing Ishar's insanity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, Vindo said: Given that all the hearlds seem to have gone insane because of the abandonment of their own oaths and that their insanity seems to relate to their order. I believe that Ishar's insanity being the patron saint of bondsmiths, is causing him to work against the radiant's. Close. All of the Heralds are acting opposite their previous beliefs. IE Nale is killing people while literally following the law. Ash destroys art. Taln is a coward. Ishar's piety seems to meen that he now believes whatever he wants to believe(his own godhood) and is manipulating people instead of providing real guidance(his godking of a country stick). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Karger said: Close. All of the Heralds are acting opposite their previous beliefs. IE Nale is killing people while literally following the law. Ash destroys art. Taln is a coward. Ishar's piety seems to meen that he now believes whatever he wants to believe(his own godhood) and is manipulating people instead of providing real guidance(his godking of a country stick). Or at least, that's what we guess is happening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Karger said: Close. All of the Heralds are acting opposite their previous beliefs. IE Nale is killing people while literally following the law. Ash destroys art. Taln is a coward. Ishar's piety seems to meen that he now believes whatever he wants to believe(his own godhood) and is manipulating people instead of providing real guidance(his godking of a country stick). i like the idea of all the heralds doing anti-heraldi things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 there is some mention of having new radiants will destroy the balance of the oathpact and endanger them all. but sometimes it does feel like there might be more merit to Ishar's plan then we realize. Ash also suggests that Ishar is not mad, stormfather says he is... but what if he is pretending to be mad to evade direct attention from Odium. crazy idea i know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 hours ago, RShara said: Or at least, that's what we guess is happening It is based on deduction rather then direct evidence but yes. 6 hours ago, The traveller said: there is some mention of having new radiants will destroy the balance of the oathpact and endanger them all. but sometimes it does feel like there might be more merit to Ishar's plan then we realize. Ash also suggests that Ishar is not mad, stormfather says he is... but what if he is pretending to be mad to evade direct attention from Odium. crazy idea i know.. Don't double post. You can edit your previous one. Your theory has believers in certain corridors but I for one fail to see how a person who is pretending to be a god king can remain sane for long periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 All of the Heralds are mad. Quote CCQ I just read Edgedancer. I was just wondering... Did Ishar deceive Nalan on purpose or was he just wrong-- he had wrong information? Brandon Sanderson All the Heralds are insane. CCQ Okay. Brandon Sanderson It manifests in different ways. Do not trust anything any Herald says. Ever. CCQ Okay. Brandon Sanderson Nale trusts Ishar too much. CCQ Okay, but so did he do it on purpose, or...? Brandon Sanderson Um... So "on purpose" is a difficult thing when you're referring to someone with the psychology that Ishar has. CCQ Did he know what it was-- that it was a lie? Brandon Sanderson *sighs* Alright, I'll RAFO that until I get to him, but the answer is kind of a yes and a no. Okay? So there is part of him that knows and there is part of him that doesn't want to believe it. And yet the things he's been doing lately in Roshar are done because he knows what's coming. Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Karger said: Don't double post. You can edit your previous one Ooh yes. That I can do. Had no idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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