Not-So-Logicalspren Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) I was just thinking that in the later books I feel it rather likely that we’re going to see Azure fighting some Knights Radiant (either Skybreakers or Dustbringers who sided with Taravangian) and I was wondering how careful she would have to be with their shardblades. We know that Invested objects are harder for Shardblade to cut through, and I would assume that Azure has quite a few breaths available to her (at least enough to make her immortal, 5th heightening I think?) which is pretty invested, not to mention that she’ll probably have Awakened cloaks and ropes and whatnot that they’d have to get through before getting to her. Just an idle thought I had. Second question, what would happen to the Breaths stored in a cloak if it did get cut by shardblade? Edited August 6, 2019 by Not-So-Logicalspren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Not-So-Logicalspren said: We know that Invested objects are harder for Shardblade to cut through, and I would assume that Azure has quite a few breaths available to her (at least enough to make her immortal, 5th heightening I think?) which is pretty invested, not to mention that she’ll probably have Awakened cloaks and ropes and whatnot that they’d have to get through before getting to her. Shardblades can cut through invested people fairly easily. Kaladin did not feel any resistance while killing Szeth. An awakened cloak might be able to catch a shardblade but I personally doubt it will be able to block one. 11 minutes ago, Not-So-Logicalspren said: Second question, what would happen to the Breaths stored in a cloak if it did get cut by shardblade? Same as breaking a metalmind in Mistborn. No real problems getting breath out of it I should think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Logicalspren Posted August 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Karger said: Shardblades can cut through invested people fairly easily. Kaladin did not feel any resistance while killing Szeth. An awakened cloak might be able to catch a shardblade but I personally doubt it will be able to block one. Same as breaking a metalmind in Mistborn. No real problems getting breath out of it I should think. I was thinking something similar as far as shardblades cutting through Knights Radiant, I just don’t know the corresponding level of Investiture between Breaths and Stormlight and if Azure would be considered far more Invested than Kaladin or Szeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) I would assume that Azure is more invested. A knight radiant has there natural investiture plus whatever stormlight they’re holding. Azure has her natural investiture times (probably) at least 2000. We can make a pretty good comparison I think between Metalminds and awakened objects iirc we have WoB that both would result a Shardblade. If she has the same number of breaths within her I believe she would resist a Shardblades wound similarly. Edit: found the WoB, it doesn’t support the theory, but not does it disprove it. I’d still bet it acts like a metalmind (as per the second WoB). mycoltbug Would a Breath imbued object stop a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 26, 2012) Questioner How many smacks would it take from a Shardblade to break, say, a metalmind. Brandon Sanderson A metalmind? Depends on how much it's invested. Shadows of Self Portland signing (Oct. 10, 2015) Edit # 2: yet another thought (I’m apparently full of ideas today) nightblood can block a shardblade, so a object awakened with 10,000 breaths is 100% immune to Shardblades so maybe 2,000 breaths would give you a 20% resistance. Edited August 6, 2019 by Truthwatcher_17.5 More info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: Edit # 2: yet another thought (I’m apparently full of ideas today) nightblood can block a shardblade, so a object awakened with 10,000 breaths is 100% immune to Shardblades so maybe 2,000 breaths would give you a 20% resistance. Nightblood was created with 1,000 breaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: Nightblood was created with 1,000 breaths. That’s wonderful for the theory though. It would make Azure 200% immune to Shardblades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: That’s wonderful for the theory though. It would make Azure 200% immune to Shardblades. Nightblood is considerably less dense then she is despite still thinking Denth's and Vasher are friends. The investiture per volume ratio is way off. Edited August 7, 2019 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Karger said: Nightblood is considerably less dense then she is despite her falling for Denth's con. The investiture per volume ratio is way off. That’s a fair point, I hadn’t considered the density of the breaths in the mass. I did some math and research for fun and I think a decent breath to pound ratio for nightblood would be 500:1 while Azure would be closer too 14:1 making her breath density about 1/36 of nightbloods probably enough to make any resistance not count for much in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not an Evil Librarian Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Karger said: Nightblood was created with 1,000 breaths. He was created with 1,000 breaths, but that doesn't really tell us much, as nightblood is far more invested in oathbringer than in warbreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantlee Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Karger said: Shardblades can cut through invested people fairly easily. Kaladin did not feel any resistance while killing Szeth. An awakened cloak might be able to catch a shardblade but I personally doubt it will be able to block one. Same as breaking a metalmind in Mistborn. No real problems getting breath out of it I should think. I actually think an awakened cloak could be able to block a shardblade at least two times, especially since shardblades are weird when it comes to inanimate objects. IIRC Adolin explained that you have to cut inanimate objects twice with a shardblade to actually slice through them (once to cut through the object's soul, then to cut through the actual material) - so I'm assuming it would be at least three times for an awakened cloak (an additional time for the breaths), and that's without any of the interesting investiture vs investiture reactions we normally have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, dantlee said: IIRC Adolin explained that you have to cut inanimate objects twice with a shardblade to actually slice through them Only if they are alive. One cut kills and then you can chop the dead thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not an Evil Librarian Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) If a person were invested enough, a shardblade would not be able to magically sever the soul from the body. however, it is still a large sword being swung at high velocity toward a human body no matter how invested they are, unless that investiture is being used to protect them. Which breath does not. So while a shardblade MIGHT not be able to kill Azure magically, I would hardly call her shardblade proof. Edited August 7, 2019 by not an Evil Librarian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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