Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Karger said: Metals that have been immersed in blood are hard to see with stealsight. I assumed the same for wood. Spikes have to be immersed in blood so they do not lose a charge, because flowing blood is a large part of Hemalurgy (hema being in the real world greek for blood). Could you provide the reference where blood blocks steel sight?
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Spikes have to be immersed in blood so they do not lose a charge, because flowing blood is a large part of Hemalurgy (hema being in the real world greek for blood). Could you provide the reference where blood blocks steel sight? Alloy of Law "Any metal that pierced a person’s body or touched his blood was very difficult to affect with Allomancy." Edited July 22, 2019 by Karger
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Karger said: Alloy of Law "Any metal that pierced a person’s body or touched his blood was very difficult to affect with Allomancy." And metal glows from the cognitive realm.
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: And metal glows from the cognitive realm. Relevance?
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Karger said: Relevance? Why would metal not block vs wood? The quote I provided said obstructions. Is everything made of wood on Scadrial that every obstruction would be made of wood?
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 48 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: The quote I provided said obstructions. Is everything made of wood on Scadrial that every obstruction would be made of wood? What does this have to do with metal glowing?
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, Karger said: What does this have to do with metal glowing? What do trees/wood have to do with blood? You cannot do hemalurgy on a tree.
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: What do trees/wood have to do with blood? You cannot do hemalurgy on a tree. Questioner Can plants have Hemalurgic properties? Brandon Sanderson ...As I have it in the notes right now, no. I could change that, but for right now, no. There's just not a way to get it to work, right now. But trees are still living things that have complex spirit webs and some innate investiture. I assume you can't get it to work because trees don't have veins or bindpoints.
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Karger said: Questioner Can plants have Hemalurgic properties? Brandon Sanderson ...As I have it in the notes right now, no. I could change that, but for right now, no. There's just not a way to get it to work, right now. But trees are still living things that have complex spirit webs and some innate investiture. I assume you can't get it to work because trees don't have veins or bindpoints. Edited July 22, 2019 by Pathfinder
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: assume you can't get it to work because trees don't have veins or bindpoints. We also know for a fact that trees are invested and have spiritwebs.
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Karger said: We also know for a fact that trees are invested and have spiritwebs. That still does not equate dead wood with blood. And that also does not change the fact that Wax thought to himself obstructions. He did not specify material. he did not say obstructions like a wooden wall (which is an assumption on your part, because the wall could just have easily been plaster board with wooden struts. So the plaster board would be what was blocking it). He said obstruction. Which says to me when anything is in the way, the allomantic lines and ability to push are weakened. Edited July 22, 2019 by Pathfinder
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: And that also does not change the fact that Wax thought to himself obstructions. He did not specify material. he did not say obstructions like a wooden wall (which is an assumption on your part, because the wall could just have easily been plaster board with wooden struts. So the plaster board would be what was blocking it). He said obstruction. Which says to me when anything is in the way, the allomantic lines and ability to push are weakened. Sure but he can still see through it. There is no reason that metal would be impossibly difficult to see through especially an alloy that contained nonmetal components.
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Karger said: Sure but he can still see through it. There is no reason that metal would be impossibly difficult to see through especially an alloy that contained nonmetal components. I think there is plenty of reasons. If a standard wall can cause enough of a blockage to reduce Wax's steel sight, then I believe an armored tank would be even harder. Btw, you would want the tank's armor to be thicker/stronger than the wall from the scene I reference considering Wax was able to send a bullet through it by firing his gun at the wall, and pushing on the bullet to penetrate. Your example has lurchers within a tank, pulling on bullets so they hit the tank instead of infantry. So the bullets will already have the momentum from being fired, coupled with the lurcher pulling strongly on all incoming metal so it curves towards the tank, increasing the velocity. So you need the kind of armor plating that can withstand that. The same kind of armor plating which would hamper, or outright prevent this from working at all. Edited July 22, 2019 by Pathfinder
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Pathfinder said: Btw, you would want the tank's armor to be thicker/stronger than the wall from the scene I reference considering Wax was able to send a bullet through it by firing his gun at the wall, and pushing on the bullet to penetrate. Your example has lurchers within a tank, pulling on bullets so they hit the tank instead of infantry. So the bullets will already have the momentum from being fired, coupled with the lurcher pulling strongly on all incoming metal so it curves towards the tank, increasing the velocity. So you need the kind of armor plating that can withstand that. The same kind of armor plating which would hamper, or outright prevent this from working at all. It would only need to be a few inches thick. This is actually thinner then the wall. If you make a tank to heavy then it can't move and that is a problem.
Pathfinder Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Karger said: It would only need to be a few inches thick. This is actually thinner then the wall. If you make a tank to heavy then it can't move and that is a problem. Maybe thinner but metal is denser.
Karger he/him Posted July 22, 2019 Author Posted July 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Maybe thinner but metal is denser. True.
Pathfinder Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Karger said: True. Found another quote Shadows of self page 151 He searched out a metal line that pointed towards one of the steel girders in the stone under his feet. With so much rock separating them, it wouldn't be as strong an anchor as otherwise - but it was large and solid, so it would work for his purposes. So rock, which was never alive, diminishes the strength of wax's pushes. It's only because the steel girder encased in stone is so large that he is able to still push off it. So matter that was never alive also interferes
Karger he/him Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: So rock, which was never alive, diminishes the strength of wax's pushes. It's only because the steel girder encased in stone is so large that he is able to still push off it. So matter that was never alive also interferes Good to know. Although considering the density and metallic content of stone I am not sure that it would be too much of a stretch for my lurcher given your passage.
Pathfinder Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Karger said: Good to know. Although considering the density and metallic content of stone I am not sure that it would be too much of a stretch for my lurcher given your passage. it needed to be a large steel girder in order for him to still be able to push off it. Unless you are intending the tanks to pull cannon balls towards them, bullets are quite a bit smaller.
Karger he/him Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: it needed to be a large steel girder in order for him to still be able to push off it. Unless you are intending the tanks to pull cannon balls towards them, bullets are quite a bit smaller. But we are also dealing with a reduced resistance. The first tanks only had about 8mm of armor plating. Edited July 23, 2019 by Karger
Pathfinder Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: But we are also dealing with a reduced resistance. The first tanks only had about 8mm of armor plating. To me we are dealing with increased difficulty, not less. Stone is less dense than metal. You are dealing with targets easily a tenth, if not more the size of a steel girder. So to me, based on the information we have it would be harder not easier.
Karger he/him Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: To me we are dealing with increased difficulty, not less. Stone is less dense than metal. You are dealing with targets easily a tenth, if not more the size of a steel girder. So to me, based on the information we have it would be harder not easier. Several feat of stone masses more then a few mm of metal?
Pathfinder Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Karger said: Several feat of stone masses more then a few mm of metal? The scene takes place on a building that Wax is ascending with Steris. The steel girder is present under the stone. We aren't talking standing on the street. And again we are talking the difference between a huge hunk of metal, vs a flying piece of metal a half an inch to and inch long.
Karger he/him Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: The scene takes place on a building that Wax is ascending with Steris. The steel girder is present under the stone. We aren't talking standing on the street. And again we are talking the difference between a huge hunk of metal, vs a flying piece of metal a half an inch to and inch long. But the barrier itself is much thinner as well and we do not need a 100% accuracy rate anyway.
Pathfinder Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Karger said: But the barrier itself is much thinner as well and we do not need a 100% accuracy rate anyway. But again the metal is denser, and the objects are much much much smaller. Coupled with the tank being metal and viewed as one whole thing by the lurcher unless he or she was a savant. So again, I do not think it is feasible. The Forumlurker (paraphrased) Can a Windrunner use a Basic Lashing on a specific body part? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, but it works the same way a Steelpusher could push on a specific part of metal. Usually, you'd just affect the whole body, because of its Identity and cosmere magic not working as well on parts of something that considers itself a unit. When you're very skilled, you can isolate a hand, like Kelsier could push on specific sections of metal. Stuttgart signing (May 17, 2019) Edited July 23, 2019 by Pathfinder
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