Truthwatcher spren?

[Aluminum he/him]

Do we know what the name for the truthwatcher spren is?

[Karger he/him]

No, we do not.  Their are a bunch of fan theories.  In my head cannon they are aidspren or perhaps lovespren.

[The Sovereign]

There is a context clue from Wyndle that they might be the "Keenspren"

While describing his life as a gardener, Wyndle lists off various types of Spren that had came to him to have gardens grown. Every type that he mentions we know to be a Radiantspren, less the Keenspren. Assuming they follow suit, then there are your Truthwatcher Spren (Or Stoneward Spren as we know every other order's Spren).

Edited June 26, 2019 by The Sovereign
As Karger pointed out, we also do not know the Stonewards' Spren.

[Karger he/him]

14 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

While describing his life as a gardener, Wyndle lists off various types of Spren that had came to him to have gardens grown. Every type that he mentions we know to be a Radiantspren, less the Keenspren. Assuming they follow suit, then there are your Truthwatcher Spren (as we know every other order's Spren).

We don't.  Stoneward's spren are still unknown.  Also their are types of spren that are not radiantspren that are still sapiant.

[The Sovereign]

20 hours ago, Karger said:

We don't.  Stoneward's spren are still unknown.  Also their are types of spren that are not radiantspren that are still sapiant.

Yes, you're right, we do not know the Stoneward's spren, we just have a reasonable guess that they are the cracked stone Spren seen in Celebrant . As far as non-radiant Spren that are Sapient, I never said there weren't types, simply that Wyndle names several Spren; Keenspren and a bunch of Spren that we do know are Radiantspren.

[Karger he/him]

18 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Yes, you're right, we do not know the Stoneward's spren, we just have a reasonable guess that they are the cracked stone Spren seen in Celebrant . As far as non-radiant Spren that are Sapient, I never said there weren't types, simply that Wyndle names several Spren; Keenspren and a bunch of Spren that we do know are Radiantspren.

Considering we know next to nothing about spren culture I am not sure that that is significant in any way.

[The Sovereign]

39 minutes ago, Karger said:

Considering we know next to nothing about spren culture I am not sure that that is significant in any way.

It has less to do with in book culture and more to do with Brandon's writing style; similar patterns and nods to things we don't have sufficient information at the time can be found throughout his works. It absolutely could be nothing, then again... 

Another thing to consider regarding Keenspren is a matter of definition. One of the definitions of Keen is eager, enthusiastic, and animated. What we have seen of Glys seems to fit this definition. We also saw similar traits in Ym's Truthwatcher Spren. 

[Karger he/him]

1 hour ago, The Sovereign said:

Another thing to consider regarding Keenspren is a matter of definition. One of the definitions of Keen is eager, enthusiastic, and animated. What we have seen of Glys seems to fit this definition. We also saw similar traits in Ym's Truthwatcher Spren. 

And in Pattern and in Syl and in Wyndal(even if he is a grouch)...

[The Sovereign]

8 minutes ago, Karger said:

And in Pattern and in Syl and in Wyndal(even if he is a grouch)...

Fair enough, maybe I'm grasping at straws.

[Scion of the Mists]

On 6/26/2019 at 3:50 PM, The Sovereign said:

Fair enough, maybe I'm grasping at straws.

I think that your point is good.  I actually missed that they were included in a list of other Radiant spren; thanks for pointing it out.  You did said that it was "a context clue" and that they "might be the Keenspren."  Not that they definitely are.  

Wyndle's comments are certainly evidence toward that conclusion.  And since we have a complete lack of evidence pointing toward any other type of spren, we should consider them the most likely of all the candidates.  

Edited July 17, 2019 by Scion of the Mists

[Karger he/him]

46 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Fair enough, maybe I'm grasping at straws.

Or you might be on to something.  Both possibilities should be examined as thoroughly as possible.

[CrazyRioter she/her]

 I recall hearing that "keenspren" was translated as "lamentspren" in a localization but I idk if that was Brandon's idea or if they just went ahead and picked a meaning of the word to translate. ('keening' means wailing or crying).