+Invocation Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 I was rereading WOK today (yay) and I came across an...interesting Death Rattle. "'All is withdrawn for me. I stand against the one who spared my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds.'" Now, who does that sound like? It's Moash, storm him. "All is withdrawn for me" deals with him giving his pain to Odium. "I stand against the one who spared my life" refers to Kaladin. "I protect the one who killed my promises" is probably Odium. The last two portions are...important sounding. Given that Moash now has Jezrien's Honorblade, he can do the same kind of things that Kaladin can, like his "storm pocket" thing in Oathbringer. I propose that there will be another joining of the Everstorm and highstorm, with Moash and Kaladin fighting in the middle, and Moash will end up eventually doing what Kaladin did with the highstorm, only with the Everstorm instead. Alternatively, this Death Rattle could refer to Kaladin as well, through a different set of lenses, but it's more fun to imagine Moash and Kaladin will fight at a joining between two storms. 5
Calderis he/him Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 I still believe this refers to Kaladin defending Elhokar and reviving Syl... But it's an interesting take. 1
RShara she/her Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 Yeah, I think it is referring to the moment when Kaladin stretches forth his hand and Syl becomes a Shardblade for the first time. 1
Gderu Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 I don't think that it being Kaladin in WoR makes sense though. What was withdrawn from him? When did the king kill his promises? If anything, he was standing against the one who killed his promises. The king was the reason Kaladin has the dilemma, but he didn't cause Kaladin to break his promises. That was Kaladin's fault. When did the storm respond to Kal raising his hand? Syl isn't the storm. It just doesn't match up. Its similar for sure, but the discrepancies are too much imo. To OP: the explanation that it was Kaladin in WoR that the death rattle was talking about always seemed weird to be. I think you are probably on to something. I wonder when this confrontation will happen. 1
Calderis he/him Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 @Gderu the storm(father) did respond. Quote “I will protect even those I hate,” Kaladin whispered through bloody lips. “So long as it is right.” A Shardblade appeared in Moash’s hands. A distant rumbling. Thunder. THE WORDS ARE ACCEPTED, the Stormfather said reluctantly. Moash saved Kaladin's life directly after dunny's death. Syl was dead and his powers gone and he was slumping back into depression. And Elhokar condemning him to prison drove him over the edge to make the choices he did. Yes they were his choices, but Elhokar was the driving force behind those choices.
WhiteEmporer Posted May 25, 2019 Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) If I remember correctly, shardcast concluded it was Kaladin defending Elokhar. One of the chief evidences is WoR chapter 62, entitled The One Who Killed Promises, where imprisoned kaladin decides that perhaps moash is right and the king must die. But regardless of the death rattle, the storm-collision fight you described between Kaladin and Moash totally needs to happen. Of course I'm in the camp that's rooting for them to be Dalinar's/Odium's respective champions. Edited May 25, 2019 by WhiteEmporer 1
ZenBossanova Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 3:07 PM, Calderis said: Moash saved Kaladin's life directly after dunny's death. Saved his life or spared his life? I need to look over the evidence more closely, but Moash is making a lot more sense than Elhokar.
+Invocation Posted May 27, 2019 Author Posted May 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: Saved his life or spared his life? Actually saved. Pulled him out of the way of cavalry, if I remember right. Also, I'd just like to go on record that I'm aware of how much of a longshot this was of being true, I just really want a Kaladin/Moash fight.
ZenBossanova Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Invocation said: Also, I'd just like to go on record that I'm aware of how much of a longshot this was of being true, I just really want a Kaladin/Moash fight. Regardless of the proper interpretation of the Death Rattle, I expect that a showdown between Kaladin and Moash is inevitable. You don't have an Honorblade and quasi-Hemalurgic Oathpact and not do anything with it. And, no, I don't think it is a longshot. Edited May 27, 2019 by ZenBossanova
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