Ripheus23 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) Also known as "whether Sanderson left a meta-clu . , s of realityp ny, so to speak, seeming normal and becoming mur remember if this was a specific sub-scene or more a collage ofdescthe linesli s being the creepy shadow-version of the stark base, just as the subtle tyranny is the creepy version ,ry time (that means my mind can't be broken of this belief ): there wilny-arcs incallandor-f Lik,the ther ar . Bear in mind, then, that this theory entails that Dominion was never evil, regardless of whether the Skaze are now (so to speak), or whatever. He might've been in danger of becoming an evil like that but who knows, maybe any of them can, in principle. Anyway... So, assuming that Odium is equal to ,e-tortBraize-tortur Braize-tortureBraize-torture-v Braize-torture-victorture-vict ( ( e. In fact, whenever Odium ts a magic system base b pa , . tormencti whate ( "" ( a EDIT: Spoiler Theory: Rand vs. Dark One = 4 evil/wrong scenarios: two blatant apocalypses and two subtle ones: Postapocalyptic (in the magic genre) :: Moridin's deathwish (non)existence :: A creepy tyranny :: An eerie paradise Sanderson might believe, thematically, that this is a good set of ultimate evils, so to speak. Like, it's mathematically efficient, or whatever. It seems like there are/were four Shards who chose (before or after the Shattering) to become evil, and it seems like they might be mapped to the four above categories. So, super-rainbow assumption-time: Ruin ~ Moridin's antiverse (ultimate annihilation) Odium ~ Apocalypse-world (the Dark One's true wish) Ambition ~ Creepy tyranny (the system that emerged on Threnody: not directly due to Ambition's will, but because Ambition's will was already more broadly evil and so her remnants/residue/impact on the Threnody system represents her darkness). I'm putting her on the list as such, and not Dominion,* because Ambition has been suggested (I forget by who) to have been better off being defeated, since her goals were perilous or whatever. Also, if she was killed as a special antagonist of Odium's (i.e. he specifically targeted her due to her power), then perhaps it was because her goals were similar to his in general form but rotated at some abstract angle against his, so "as a matter of personal principle" he opposed her, and not just as the "lawgiver" of the Shardic divergence. Autonomy ~ Eerie paradise. It seems as if she wouldn't be pure evil, since it seems as if a being of evil will would not choose to take up the Shard of something that is good in a special and important way, as such---then again that's assuming that part of the concept of autonomy in play, here, is the ethical theory of autonomy in philosophy writings, which is not a given---or at least, then, she doesn't truly intend evil, though ultimately her will is going to accomplish something immensely evil anyway. Indeed, that would be an interesting character arc in any event: what if someone who had power like Rand did (say) in AMOL, actually went ahead and did (to some number of worlds) what Rand would have done to his world, had he outright purely destroyed the Dark One itself: i.e. destroyed their autonomy by trying to destroy their potential for evil will itself. [[[*As it was said... "Bear in mind, then, that this theory entails that Dominion was never evil, regardless of whether the Skaze are now (so to speak), or whatever. He might've been in danger of becoming an evil like that but who knows, maybe any of them can, in principle."]]] So, what hath this to do with Odium's ultimate goal? Basically, if we take the apocalypse-world image/concept and apply it to the Cosmere story, what would we get? I was thinking, what if the pain of the "curse" on the Elantrians was a long-term effect of Odium's killing of Devotion? Like, he somehow infected the residue of her power with this hell-like energy, that eventually manifested in some way (via the damage to the magic system geoglyphically-speaking---think of the Chasm as a wound, a gash, in a living creature, namely Arelon itself, which is then replicated in the Elantrian humans, until the whole system can be magically reset (computationally, as it were)). And he contributed to the darkness of Threnody, let's suppose. This is his way to darken the stars of the worlds entire, as in Honor's vision, maybe: to send all those worlds to some form of hell, ultimately. And in the end, he'll do a reverse-Sazed/Dalinar and instead of uniting all his knowledge or all the planes of existence, he'll unite all his different hellscapes (Braize, Threnody, Sel, and so on) into one final inferno of evil (to whatever actual ultimate end). Edited May 1, 2019 by Ripheus23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man moomba he/him Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Nice theory, but I heard the Rand-v-The Dark One scenes were actually written by RJ himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 I was really afraid of Avengers spoilers because if the title. I only read the first line before I chickened out and came down here to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless of Shinovar he/him Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Hey, just a heads up, but you might want to put this in the spoiler box. I'm still on book 7 of WoT, and when I look to see a cool theory about Odium, but instead, I'm hit in the face with spoilers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Woah I do not know how to edit fast on a phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man moomba he/him Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 That is actually cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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