Karger he/him Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 We know that the Heralds are not exactly right in the head at the moment. Most of them look like they are doing some form of the opposite of the divine virtues that they represent. Jezrien: Prior to his Oathbringer death Jezrien was the paragon of leadership. After his tortures he we see that is pretending to be a beggar and avoiding all responsibility. Nale: Nale is the Herald of Justice. After his tortures he becomes a mockery of what any reasonable person would call just instead he kills people while abiding by the letter of the law. Shalash: Shalash is the Herald of Beauty. Her nickname is Ash. She is the patron of artists and she now goes around destroying art. Talenel: Talenel is the Herald of War and a patron of soldiers but when we last saw him he was cowering in fear avoiding battle. Ishar: Ishar is the Herald of Priests and is supposed to embody the attributes of piety and guidance but according to the Stormfather he is actually a Godpreist of a kingdom that he is leading into war against his neighbor for no apparent reason. Battar: Batter is associated with the attributes Wisdom and Care but from what we can gather looking at Oathbringer she is a member of the diagram and has lead Taravangian into a reckless and somwhat drastic course of action. We do not know what the remaining Heralds are doing but given this shouldn't they also be in direct opposition to their previous roles? This is my guess as to what the others are doing. Chanarach: Chanarach is associated with the attributes Brave and Obedient. This leads me to the belief that she is living out her life as a fishermen or farmer completely ignoring the desolation. Vedel: Vedel is associated with the attributes Loving and Healing. This leads me to the belife that she is the Rosharn Riper who tries to heal others of the pain inside them. Pailiah: We actually know the Pailiah is in Kharbranth she is associated with the attributes Learned and Giving. This leads me to the belief that she is now a petty theif of some kind. Kalak: Kalek is associated attributes Resolute and Builder I think that he is likely become a politician the type that ignores everything takes bribes and does not care about getting anything done. What do the rest of you think the other Heralds have been doing? 1
Wintersu Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I am going to guess that in the year between Oathbringer and Rhythm of War that another Herald has been killed. A race to find heralds before they are knocked off would be interesting 1
Zelly Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Kalak was seen with Nale in the WoR prologue, though not named, and seemed fairly mentally okay, as insane Heralds go. Maybe a little anxious/paranoid. I'm still really curious about about their presence at the celebration. I assume we'll learn more during one of the future book prologues if they continue to follow different POV of that event. In the prologue, there's nothing in the description of Kalak to help figure out what his current position or location is. It's mentioned he could pass as Alethi, so it's possible he's still in Kholinar trying to blend in. Considering how mousey he seems to be, I could see him being some sort of spineless, fawning, low ranked merchant. Edited April 8, 2019 by Zelly 1
Pathfinder Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zelly said: Kalak was seen with Nale in the WoR prologue, though not named, and seemed fairly mentally okay, as insane Heralds go. Maybe a little anxious/paranoid. I'm still really curious about about their presence at the celebration. I assume we'll learn more during one of the future book prologues if they continue to follow different POV of that event. In the prologue, there's nothing in the description of Kalak to help figure out what his current position or location is. It's mentioned he could pass as Alethi, so it's possible he's still in Kholinar trying to blend in. Considering how mousey he seems to be, I could see him being some sort of spineless, fawning, low ranked merchant. I support the theory that the heralds are exhibiting madness in contrast to their ideals. So Kalak is not mentally ok because his ideals are resolute/builder. To me the way he acted was most definitely not resolute lol.
Calderis he/him Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Liss as Chana. "Brave" turned to stealthy, a.k.a. "cowardly," killings, and her "obedience" is bought by the highest bidder. Edited April 8, 2019 by Calderis 3
Deathwielded Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I think Liss is one of the heralds, in my opinion likely Chanarach as she has a Shardblade and is a female assassin. just my theory, as she seemed unusual to me and was in the area along with several other Heralds during Gavilar's treaty signing. Which we have heard isn't just coincidence they were in the area
cfphelps he/him Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Quote Talenel: Talenel is the Herald of War and a patron of soldiers but when we last saw him he was cowering in fear avoiding battle. I would claim he wasn't lucid enough to know battle was going on, and therefore was neither afraid of it nor avoiding it. The only time we see him aware of violence, he seeks to prevent it by catching the blow darts. Edited April 8, 2019 by cfphelps 1
Calderis he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, cfphelps said: I would claim he wasn't lucid enough to know battle was going on, and therefore was neither afraid of it nor avoiding it. The only time we see him aware of violence, he seeks to prevent it by catching the blow darts. We know this is untrue from Ash's PoV. Quote "Come on,” Ash said, holding Taln’s hand, pulling him up the last few steps. He stared at her dully. “Taln,” she whispered. “Please.” The last glimmers of his lucidity had faded. Once, nothing would have kept him from the battlefield when other men died. Today, he had hidden and whimpered during the fighting. Now he followed her like a simpleton. Talenel’Elin had broken like the rest of them. 2
Lunamor she/her Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 Random slightly crackpot theory: All of the Heralds expect Taln were artificially changed to exhibit their order’s traits, as Taln was an accidental Herald (I think). Therefore, once Taln regains sanity, he will be the only Herald not to have the weird opposite traits thing. Alternatively, he won’t have the oppsosote traits thing because he was the only one of the Heralds who wasn’t “broken” by refusing to return to Damnation. Alternatively alternatively, he has a different sort of madness caused by the torcher, not the long life, as all of the Heralds would have had the long life madness way before, as they were in Damnation for a very long life.
cfphelps he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Calderis said: We know this is untrue from Ash's PoV. I stand corrected, thanks. 1
TheGirlWhoLookedUp she/her Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 I could be totally wrong here, but I think that Herdazian General in one of the interludes could possibly be a Herald. He seemed a bit crazy the way he kept putting on handcuffs then breaking out of them. He was also mentioned to have tried wrestling the Hog and barely made it out. It feels like he keeps seeking out challenges, even ones that are life threatening. The only Herald it could be is Kalak. Of course though it could just be an ordinary madman, but the interlude itself seems a bit random.
Calderis he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheGirlWhoLookedUp said: I could be totally wrong here, but I think that Herdazian General in one of the interludes could possibly be a Herald. He seemed a bit crazy the way he kept putting on handcuffs then breaking out of them. He was also mentioned to have tried wrestling the Hog and barely made it out. It feels like he keeps seeking out challenges, even ones that are life threatening. The only Herald it could be is Kalak. Of course though it could just be an ordinary madman, but the interlude itself seems a bit random. That interlude served two purposes. It introduced the Herdazian dude... And it showed us Karma. The PoV of that chapter, Sheler, was the man in charge of the Company to which Tien was assigned when he died.
TheGirlWhoLookedUp she/her Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 Really!? Well... I don’t feel that sorry for him anymore.
Karger he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Author Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheGirlWhoLookedUp said: Really!? Well... I don’t feel that sorry for him anymore. You felt sorry for a murderous rapist in the first place?
TheGirlWhoLookedUp she/her Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Karger said: You felt sorry for a murderous rapist in the first place? Well no, I suppose, but when I first read it I missed that part. My mistake. He definitely deserves it.
Lord Mistborn Bondbreaker he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 In my opinion Kalak is Roshone. The evidence for this is as follows. • Roshone owned several Silversmith shops; Kalak is the Herald of Craftsman. • When Kaladin tells Roshone that the Desolations have returned; Roshone actions and responses fit that of a cowardly herald who knows that they abandoned Taln for no reason. • Even though the Spheres Lirin and Roshone fought over were mere pocket change to lighteyes; Roshone refused to give in and twisted Resolution into mere stubbornness. Also, who does this sound like? 7 hours ago, Karger said: Kalak: Kalek is associated attributes Resolute and Builder I think that he is likely become a politician the type that ignores everything takes bribes and does not care about getting anything done. 1
equinox Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Lord Mistborn Bondbreaker said: In my opinion Kalak is Roshone. The evidence for this is as follows. But Roshone aged. And we saw Kalak in the prologue with Nale. While we (readers) do not know how Kalak really looks like, wouldn’t somebody recognize Roshone. He was exiled at this point in time already. He should not have been welcomed to join the feast and even wandering around in the Kholinar palace might have been difficult for him.. Can Heralds change their appearance as Returned can?
teknopathetic he/him Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Wintersu said: I am going to guess that in the year between Oathbringer and Rhythm of War that another Herald has been killed. A race to find heralds before they are knocked off would be interesting A parallel race is capturing Unmade in gemstones: 9 Heralds and 8 Unmade remain (possibly 7). It would be so interesting if Unmade could be ReMade somehow, and join Cultivation side. At least one unmade wishes to do so. Edited April 9, 2019 by teknopathetic
Wintersu Posted April 9, 2019 Posted April 9, 2019 14 hours ago, TheGirlWhoLookedUp said: I could be totally wrong here, but I think that Herdazian General in one of the interludes could possibly be a Herald. He seemed a bit crazy the way he kept putting on handcuffs then breaking out of them. He was also mentioned to have tried wrestling the Hog and barely made it out. It feels like he keeps seeking out challenges, even ones that are life threatening. The only Herald it could be is Kalak. Of course though it could just be an ordinary madman, but the interlude itself seems a bit random. I think he’s a Dustbringer, and he was stuck in an interlude so that we’d have an idea who he is in Rhythm of War. The Dustbringers need a good representative, not just Malata. Also Sanderson has mentioned that there will be more Dustbringers in the next book. I think the only way Herdaz held out for a whole year is with the help of Surgebinders. I bet he’s got a group of squires helping him out 3
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