Deathwielded Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Karger said: We actually know next to nothing about pre human singer society. Correct we do not know much. We only know Spren and Highstorms were there before Honor and Cultivation were and so were teh Dawnsingers I'm assuming it was peaceful in comparison to the Desolations. We dont know when Fabrial's started being used, but as far as we know it could have been a part of the Dawnsinger society. I was going to say it may have been required to build the Dawncities, but we dont know enough about Dawncities to be sure.
Karger he/him Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Deathwielded said: I'm assuming it was peaceful in comparison to the Desolations. Not that this realy means anything.
Deathwielded Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 2:28 PM, Karger said: Not that this realy means anything. Disagreed. People in apocalyptic level war like a Desolation would agree that typical war's are like child's play in comparison. Even if the Dawnsingers warred among themselves like humans are typically want to do, they were still peaceful towards the humans at first. (on command of their gods, but still) we don't know who broke the peace, but I think its a safe assumption the voidbringers were the aggressors as they were not content with the Shin Homeland. (atleast until more is revealed in coming novels or WOBs) Relatively peaceful Roshar vs Desolation Roshar. People (in world and out) would argue Roshar was relatively peaceful after Aharietiam even with the false desolation and the Sunmaker when compared to almost total civilization destroying warfare like the desolation's were.
Karger he/him Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Deathwielded said: Relatively peaceful Roshar vs Desolation Roshar. People (in world and out) would argue Roshar was relatively peaceful after Aharietiam even with the false desolation and the Sunmaker when compared to almost total civilization destroying warfare like the desolation's were. Sure but considering The War of Loss, The Shin Invasions and Hierocracy I doubt that anyone in their right minds would consider post Aharietiam to be exactly peaceful. Peace is not the opposite of total war it is a time when geopolitics are largely settled via diplomacy and things like rule of law and governing authority are maintained. Roshar is not there yet.
Deathwielded Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 On 5/31/2019 at 2:08 PM, Karger said: Sure but considering The War of Loss, The Shin Invasions and Hierocracy I doubt that anyone in their right minds would consider post Aharietiam to be exactly peaceful. Peace is not the opposite of total war it is a time when geopolitics are largely settled via diplomacy and things like rule of law and governing authority are maintained. Roshar is not there yet. I suppose our disagreement is based on what degree does the term relatively Peaceful apply. I don't see your point as helpful in clarifying the timeline, or the OP topic and I don't see why it makes a difference one way or another. Do you have a point that changes anything?
Karger he/him Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Deathwielded said: I don't see your point as helpful in clarifying the timeline, or the OP topic and I don't see why it makes a difference one way or another. Do you have a point that changes anything? My point is actually about both real world an Rosharan history. We pay large attention to catastrophes particularly ones that we avert but we tend to ignore many smaller and equally important things that happen in between conflicts. The war of loss might not have been as catastrophic as the desolations but it has an equal effect on modern Rosharan culture in Vorin nations. It is largly because the Shin avoided this war and the hierocracy that makes their ancient history more accurate. Edited June 4, 2019 by Karger
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