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Okay, okay!

I just am saying that I didn't want them to die, in a way that didn't blatantly state it, because I thought you guys would be all like 'they said something so they must be lying because they're a lying liar who lies'.

EDIT: since the other Shard games.

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4 minutes ago, Indigo Weasel said:

Okay, okay!

I just am saying that I didn't want them to die, in a way that didn't blatantly state it, because I thought you guys would be all like 'they said something so they must be lying because they're a lying liar who lies'.

Alright.  The way you phrased it honestly came off as "This wasn't the plan; we didn't mean to get get one of these two people killed." or something in that vein.  Sorry for attacking you a bit.

Still, now that you've clarified your meaning, it does raise an interesting discussion point.  Why didn't you want these two to die?  (For the record, I don't think there's anything necessarily lynch-worthy about wanting people to survive, I'm just curious.)  Honestly, I'm not entirely surprised someone went after Autonomy, considering how easily they won the last game.

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Deaths finally! I mean, they don’t specifically hurt my faction’s plans, and they’re giving us info, so I’m happy. It probably just furthered Odium’s wincon, but that’s always a trade off of progress. Now to see what happens.

I have no specific lynch targets planned but I’m willing to see what comes about and possibly join in.

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2 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said:

Anyways, any speculation on the factions based on their names/colors?

The garden faction is red, which makes me think, along with other things, that Cultivation is allied with Odium.  After all, the Autonomy faction was yellow.

Odium’s colors are gold and white. Why is autonomy yellow? Personally, I think preservation and cultivation might make up the hidden garden faction. 

2 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said:

Okay, okay!

I just am saying that I didn't want them to die, in a way that didn't blatantly state it, because I thought you guys would be all like 'they said something so they must be lying because they're a lying liar who lies'.

EDIT: since the other Shard games.

Oh. Are you in the utility company?

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Red represents Corrupted Investiture. While I think it may have some meaning, I doubt there is currupted investiture in this game, as it seems like a major game mechanic that would be in the rules. Odium is often thought of as red, but so is:

Minor SH/mistborn era 2 spoilers:

Spoiler

Autonomy is also considered red in mistborn.

I am thinking the colors may be purely aesthetic.

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3 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Oh. Are you in the utility company?

Nope.  Our faction got to pick our name, and we didn't pick something that generic. :P

The reason I think Odium is red is because that's how it was in the other Shard games, and Autonomy was yellow in the other games, so I think it might have carried over.

Also, I don't want Shards to be Shattered because Odium having to Shatter all the Shards has been proven to be a tough wincon, so I think he only has to shatter some/would have picked a different wincon.

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Considering that their are no elims in this game there is no bipartisan logic with which to determine how to use the lynch. It could be used to kill certain public enemies or weaken dominant factions. Given that none of these options have yet presented themselves (and I've seen no evidence to narrow down someone with a kill action), it makes the most sense to kill someone who is not among the already weakened factions. This maintains a relative equality of power and minimizes the risk of shards being randomly sent to other factions and giving them a relative increase in power. If anyone else suggests another course of determining the lynch I am certainly interested, yet I have seen no compeling arguments for any other method or target (for this day). Given that framework, I'm fine with either  Indigio Weasel or Coral Swan.

6 hours ago, Coral Swan said:

Deaths finally! I mean, they don’t specifically hurt my faction’s plans, and they’re giving us info, so I’m happy. It probably just furthered Odium’s wincon, but that’s always a trade off of progress. Now to see what happens.

I have no specific lynch targets planned but I’m willing to see what comes about and possibly join in.

Pretty clearly non-aligned with either faction (of course it could be strategic, in order to indicate that they're not aligned, but my gut leads me toward thinking the comment was an honest one).

3 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said:

Nope.  Our faction got to pick our name, and we didn't pick something that generic. :P

9 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said:

Anyways, any speculation on the factions based on their names/colors?

The garden faction is red, which makes me think, along with other things, that Cultivation is allied with Odium.  After all, the Autonomy faction was yellow.

 

 

This indicates that Indigio Weasel is among neither faction either. At least using this framework has the potential to generate interesting faction claims! 

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... "And Silverpoly will never again meddle with Shardic power". With those words, the vision ended. Makido blinked rapidly to cover his disorientation at being thrust back into the real world. He had drained the contents of the coppermind, reliving every memory through the eyes of the one who had filled it. He had seen the Silverlight War, from one perspective at least. The release of the Shards, Ruin's rampages across Braize and Silverlight, the casual way those long ago researchers murdered each other for power, up to Autonomy's eventual triumph. The Archivist had been no better than the others, Makido noted. Idly, he wondered what had happened to that Archivist, and how their metalmind had ended up in his possession. Makido brushed those thoughts off. He had more important matters to attend to; he had to record the events in metal before he forgot all the details. Cupping his right hand over his eyes to ward off the sun, wait, why was the sun out already? More time must have passed than he had realized. Harmony's Bands would be opening soon, and he couldn't be caught with a metalmind in his possession. Perhaps it was time to take a leave of absence. He couldn't help prevent this new war from escalating by sitting behind a desk all day. Grabbing the depleted coppermind and the roll of aluminum, Makido left the shop behind.

@Mauve Crocodile, since Autonomy is dead and was one of the players on Zebra's list, would you mind telling us what you were referring to last night when you said there was someone else more likely to be Autonomy?

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2 hours ago, Emerald Falcon said:

Coral Swan.

I’m curious. Why swan?

Anyway, for the most part I agree with Falcon. As for Autonomy and how Odium found them. People in the Sel doc will know we were discussing how Amber Vulture could bea Shard due to how they erratically worldhopped. That’s why we think Odium, or a faction member of Odium, was at Sel at this time. The Sel doc was also inactive, and only two other people than me had even coloured their names in the doc, Saffron Iguana and Salmon Meerkat. To to discussion with Saffron, this gives me some reasonable suspicion on Meerkat, who would be my next target for the lynch. (Edit: due to doc conversation, not anymore)

Regarding Chartruese. It seems it was either a Dakhor, Mistborn, or Ruin just targeting random people.

I’ll edit this with RP if no one else posts later.

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5 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said:

I’m curious. Why swan?

Anyway, for the most part I agree with Falcon. As for Autonomy and how Odium found them. People in the Sel doc will know we were discussing how Amber Vulture could bea Shard due to how they erratically worldhopped. That’s why we think Odium, or a faction member of Odium, was at Sel at this time. The Sel doc was also inactive, and only two other people than me had even coloured their names in the doc, Saffron Iguana and Salmon Meerkat. To to discussion with Saffron, this gives me some reasonable suspicion on Meerkat, who would be my next target for the lynch. (Edit: due to doc conversation, not anymore)

Regarding Chartruese. It seems it was either a Dakhor, Mistborn, or Ruin just targeting random people.

I’ll edit this with RP if no one else posts later.

Well now that everyone knows where I am (:(), would anyone from Scadrial mind telling the thread if Amber being Autonomy was discussed there, after they Worldhopped away? I personally don't think Odium or a faction mate is necessarily on Sel.

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The Night had passed, and as the Selish sun rose once more Exvee turned around and regarded his following. 40 men, women, children, and stuffed bears looked back at him. Some looked tired. His group hadn’t slept at all, they’d spent the whole night looking for recruits. They were loyal, which was great.

“Dave28!” Exvee called as he downed another cup of some Selish drink. Alcoholic, of course. 

Dave28 was an accountant, Exvee had learned. “Yes, O Great Prophet?” Exvee hadn’t told his following to call him that, but it wasn’t a bad title, especially for one the Daves thought of themselves.

“Yes, Dave28,” Exvee said. “I would like an estimate on how many more converts you think we can have.” Dave28 looked troubled. “Prophet, I believe we have gotten all the converts we could from this city, I doubt we can get more.”

Exvee thought about the words. “Well then, we’ll go to Silverlight next. They all said I was crazy for not knowing what the Shards are, we’ll see now.”

“Silverlight...?” Dave28 asked.

“Of course!” Exvee said. “What, you thought I was going to claim to be leader and then not show my powers?”

“It was about faith, Prophet...”

“Nonsense! You’ll see. All of my Daves, I’ll take them all to another planet!”

“Wow, that would really show your powers, Prophet.”

“It would. Let’s march on, Dave28. Tell Dave7 and Dave15 to round up the Daves, we should be at Silverlight by sundown.”

“Um, yes, O Great Prophet.”

As the Dave scampered off, Exvee looked around Sel another time. “Last chance!” He yelled. “For anyone who wants to join us and be initiated into the journey of Daves! Perks include having friends and going to other planets!”

Finished and not getting a response, Exvee sighed and turned around.

“Interesting set-up, you have here,” a voice said from behind him.

Turning, Exvee saw a man maybe about 5 years his elder, crossing his arms. From underneath the jacket and cloak, a small scar on his arm could be seen poking out.

“Who the hell are you?” Exvee asked. The man took a deep breath, and looked up. “We need to talk.”

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1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

Well now that everyone knows where I am (:(), would anyone from Scadrial mind telling the thread if Amber being Autonomy was discussed there, after they Worldhopped away? I personally don't think Odium or a faction mate is necessarily on Sel.

Ivory actually mentioned the possibility of vulture specifically being Autonomy in passing, but it wasn't really discussed in-depth (he was going over the movement of people, and stating that Vulture left, unless they where Autonomy, who'd just left an aspect).

I'm still a bit behind on everything that happens, but I'd be a bit cautious about trying to lynch weasel again. I give it about 50/50 odds that he got protected twice in a row, as he'd be an obvious target for a relynching, but also an obvious target for an attack. He was also on scadrial, however, so if Devotion was there weasel could have protected them.

I agree that Falcon's suggestion for the lynch makes some sense, but I disagree about the lack of elims. One of the options for our faction's win-con involved a lot of killing (we didn't pick that one, as we hare hoping/aiming for a happy ending to the last shard game), so I can't rule out the existence of a faction that, for all intents and purposes, would be functioning as an elimination faction. I'll place a vote later today, but I'm not feeling a weasel lynch right now.

***

Tessa woke up late in the afternoon as a bundle of sunlight fell on her face through the curtains before the window in her hotel room. Her whole body hurt. She reached out for the big unsealed goldmind she'd bought, but then thought better of it. She'd already used a big chunk of its charge last night for just staying alive, and though her muscles ached, it was nothing life-threatening.

"Well, at least it didn't outright say 'no' after it failed to spread my constituent atoms over a couple of square kilometers of city." She muttered to herself. She'd had some success tracking down one of the Shards, but it seemed her conversational skills still needed some work. The seed of doubt had been planted though, so it was a start at least.

With a groan she sat up, and opened her communicator. What she saw made the small victory from the previous day seem altogether insignificant. The war had started properly, and one Shard had already been rendered broken. That that shard was Autonomy did little to lift her mood. The other victim wasn't completely unknown to her either. Vahal had flagged that piece of news with a small message. "You got pretty close yesterday. How about you give predicting something slightly more specific a go this time?"

She sighed. Vahal wasn't wrong. Her 'prediction', if that was what it was, seemed to match up fairly well with the result from weasel's antics. After stretching once more she got the deck of cards out of her pack and started shuffling, after fishing out the star to represent the dead steelrunner.

"So, the first card. Seven of swords. Yeah, his plans failed alright. On the other hand, the one that did him in might not get away with it either because he left some clue, or killing the steelrunner wasn't his intent, but instead the result of a quarrel. Let's focus on the killing and killer here." She pulled out the next card. "The hermit. Treason, corruption, all that stuff. Was the killer some the steelrunner trusted, or does the killer need to fear those on his own side the most?"

"Next is the five of wands. Was this a contract-killing, with the killer expecting payment? Or maybe they hope to profit from it in some other way. Maybe the Steelrunner was in direct competition for the same treasure."

"Next is the king of swords. The killer is or represents some kind of lawful authority. Or alternatively they're just plain evil. Pretty specific in one reading, pretty enteric in the  other one. Ugh, couldn't those dragons have come up with something that didn't rely so much on interpretation?"

"Next is the four of wands. Apparently the killer used to live a peaceful and prosperous life. One of Autonomy's, maybe? Or just any random person that didn't chafe under their commandments and made the best of life. Wonder what brought them into this war."

She turned up the next card. "The wheel of fortune. Luck will play a big role in the killer's coming days. Hmmm, I hope that isn't indicative of them coming into conflict with me."

She laid out the final four in quick succession. "Page of swords. The killer is part of some kind of secret service or other spy organisation, or is at least versed in spycraft and using it for their goals. Next is the two of cups. The killer is surrounded by friends or close family, maybe even a loved one. Ace of Cups. They're working towards their own happiness and joy, and probably that of those close to them. They're unlikely to be swayed from their path. And finally, six of pentacles." She picked up the last card. "That makes no sense. There's gifts and rewards in the killer's future? She thought back to the musty tomes and manuals she'd read and studied the card. It showed a figure, a merchant of some sort giving alms to the poor. However, it showed some other things as well, one of which being a set of scales. "Right, apparently this card also indicates vigilance and seizing the moment. Seems the stars are aligning for the killer, as long as they keep their guard up."

She stopped drawing on her luck, and stopped the recording she was making and sent it to Vahal. She didn't immediately put the cards away though. The presence of the Wheel of Fortune card as indicative of the killer's immediate future circumstances unnerved her,  as she'd always used that card to signify herself.

After several minutes of contemplating the cards she tossed them back into her bag with a disgusted shake of her had. It was all chance and useless interpretation anyway, there was no way this method could actually predict the future.

She packed up her bags and checked out to move to a different hotel. Just to be certain, and not make things too easy for any would-be assassins.

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Exvee paused. He took another sip of another alcoholic drink he’d been given from another Dave.

“Well, that’s unnecessarily vague,” he mumbled. “The hell do you mean ‘we need to talk’?” Then it clicked. “Ahh, you want to be a Dave, well, just stand right there...”

“You’re drunk, kid.”

“What, you’re something like a couple years older than me and that makes me ‘kid’?”

“I suspect time-travel,” The man said calmly. He had a look in his eyes, one of experience. He grabbed a stool one of the Daves had set up in the camp and sat on it, crossing one leg over the other. Exvee looked at his clothing. He seemed to be a fan of blue.

“What, why would suspect that?” Exvee asked. “And why are suspecting anything at all?”

“It’s the only explanation,” the man said without explanation. “It’s the only way we, you and me, can be here, in the same time. I should be way older than you, but it seems time has found a way to make us meet. I have to say, I’m pretty impressed that it happened, but looking at you, still sort of disappointed.”

Exvee blinked a couple times. “You’re speaking more nonsense than me. What next thing you’re going to tell me what these Shard things are and completely ruin my blissful ignorance.”

The man frowned. “Shards. Pretty much gods. I’ve never been a big fan of them, but as a friend once told me, some aren’t so bad.” He looked sorrowful, and for a second Exvee saw trauma in him. His eyes grew stern again, and he looked at Exvee, taking out a slip of a paper.

“Let’s get to introductions. You must be Ex-Vee?”

“Exvee,” Exvee corrected. “One word.”

Raising an eyebrow the man continued. “Do you know your father’s name, Exvee?”

“Yeah. Just as weird as mine. He was Exeyevee.”

“And that doesn’t strike you as odd?”

“Well, sir, I’m too drunk to care right now. Look, if you don’t want to become a Dave, fine, just get out of my business, we’re heading to Silverlight today anyway.”

The man sighed. “I spent a lot of resources trying to find you kid,” he said, leaning forward. “What can I say? Once I learnt we were in the same time period, curiosity took ahold of me.” His eyes flicked up.

“Let me guess then: you have a sacred family heirloom that you know is really old but you’ve never thought of using it because you’re afraid you’ll ruin it and it’s the only thing of value in your life, and the simple fact is it gives you that little bit of purpose that keeps you from ending it all.”

The words pierced his haze and Exvee looked up. That... that was his most private fact. “How... do you know that?” His voice trembled slightly. 

The man didn’t smile, but he stood up, brushed the dust off his shoulders. “Now you’re ready to listen. That’s good.” He looked around, nodding. “I can’t say I like this cult of yours, but it’s practical. We can talk on the way to Silverlight.”

Exvee just nodded dumbly, in awe of the man with the scar barely visible on his arm and a cloak of faded colour.

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8 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said:

I’m curious. Why swan?

Yeah, why Swan, @Emerald Falcon?

I’m good with the logic on Indigo Weasel, though. There’s enough support I’ll join in with that lynch to support equity among the factions as much as possible.

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3 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:

Yeah, why Swan, @Emerald Falcon?

I’m good with the logic on Indigo Weasel, though. There’s enough support I’ll join in with that lynch to support equity among the factions as much as possible.

I'd guess that Swan is also one of the people who Falcon views as being in neither of the factions which have lost players thus far.  So, basically the same reason that they would lynch Indigo.  If you read their post, that's the reason they gave.

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13 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said:

@Mauve Crocodile, since Autonomy is dead and was one of the players on Zebra's list, would you mind telling us what you were referring to last night when you said there was someone else more likely to be Autonomy?

Doesn't really matter now as clearly I was wrong. :(

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@Emerald Falcon, am I right that we can conclude you're on the same team as one of the two that died?

Anyway, I'm going to vote Indigo. I've got a little theory going that, if correct, pretty much guarantees that he's been protected by Devotion again. Knowing for sure would be nice and I'm not in as much of a hurry to get people killed that I'm not willing to risk another dud lynch to figure out if my guess for Devotion's identity is correct.

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12 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said:

What if Devotion has a win con to stop X number of lynches?

I considered that, but if the types of wincons we had was any indication, no group would have a wincon that was purely dependent on the abilities of one of their shards. If the above was their wincon, it'd be impossible to win the moment Devotion died.

Then again, their win-con could be something along the lines of 'protect X people from dying', in which case they've got at least 1 down, and if I'm right they're already on 2. In that case giving them an easy third would be a bad idea. Indigo weasel.

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The landscape sped past, and mist swirled around Gilgamesh as he raced across the barren, rocky terrain towards the place where he'd sensed people moving about.  He liked this place.  He could feel the power moving through the air around him, and in the distance he was sure he could feel larger deposits of power.  Gilgamesh did hope that they had food wherever he was going, though.  The stuff on Silverlight had been rather insubstantial, all things considered.  Perhaps on this world they'd have better things to eat.

Soon enough, Gilgamesh noticed the rock and sand fading to grass and plains, and in the distance, beyond a range of hills and bluffs, rose buildings as tall as any had been on Silverlight.  Metal scraped the sky, and Gilgamesh could feel hundreds of presences within the city.  The air even smelled of people, of industry, and soon Gilgamesh found himself wandering the paved roads of an enormous city.  People were everywhere, the streets even more crowded than those on Silverlight, and the noise and bustle of a big city surrounded him.  Gilgamesh sighed in relief.  He'd always loved the outdoors, and frankly there were few things that suited him as well as running through open spaces, summiting the tallest mountains, or exploring the deepest caves.  Yet there was something comforting about the buzz and hum of hundreds of people just... living.  

"Metalminds for sale!  Metalminds for sale!"  Gilgamesh heard a voice calling from the crowded streets.  He turned, seeing a thin man in glasses standing next to a cart piled high with metal bands, trinkets, and baubles.  The man was of average height, and was wearing a pinstriped burgundy suit.  

"Unkeyed Metalminds!  User Friendly and fashionable metalminds!"

Gilgamesh walked up to the cart, peering interestedly at the many metal objects.  Each one exuded a faint aura, and although Gilgamesh couldn't say for sure what each of them did, he was certain that there was some sort of power stored with in them.  Gilgamesh picked up a dull grey arm-band with an intricate design, hoping to get a better idea of what it's purpose was.

"Ah, you've got good taste!" the man next to the cart exclaimed, quickly stepping up next to Gilgamesh.  The man looked slightly nervous; Gilgamesh dwarfed the man in size, standing a good couple heads above him.  But the man's nature as a salesman seemed to be compelling him to sell the item, despite his nervousness.  "That right there is a pewter metalmind! It stores strength, so you can impress the ladies with your muscles when you need'em, but keep'em small when you don't!"

The thin man struck a comical pose, pretending to flex the practically nonexistent muscles on his arms.  Gilgamesh laughed at the show, and the man's nervousness quickly disappeared.

"That's right!" he said, laughing along with Gilgamesh, "All you need is to be a Pewter Feruchemist! Allomancers get the worse end of it; their pewter only gives them strength, not muscle."

Gilgamesh frowned.  He didn't know any of these words; a problem he kept running into, ever since he found his way to Silverlight.

"I'm afraid I'm not from around here."  Gilgamesh said slowly, "I confess you lost me at 'Feruchemist.'"

The man's smile faded, and he blinked a couple times.

"But how could you not know what a Feruchemist is?" the man said.  Then his eyes widened, before narrowing conspiratorially,  "Oh.  You're one of those.  A colleague of mine was talking about you guys, but I thought he was off his head!"

Gilgamesh just stood there, trying to seem like he understood.  He really had no idea what was going on, but he would like to figure out what this man was talking about.  And these metal minds interested him.

"You're a worldhopper." the man said, grinning. "Well, there's a chance these might work for you anyway, if what my colleague said is true.  Try to draw the power out of it."

Gilgamesh was uncertain about the whole affair, but he did

 think he might be able to take the energy from this object.  As soon as he'd touched it he'd felt the same energy he'd seen on it earlier, now in the back of his mind, waiting to be drawn upon.  Gilgamesh breathed deeply, and focused his will.  The energy flowed out of the metal mind, and Gilgamesh's eyes widened as he felt his muscles bulge suddenly.  The man clapped his hands and jumped up and down.

"You can use it!" he said excitedly.  The man seemed to realize how silly he must look, and quickly regained his composure.  

"Eh-hem." the man said, adjusting his glasses. "That'll be 300 boxings."

Gilgamesh grinned at the man, before reaching into the sack on his back.  He pulled out a huge bag of coins, and the man's eyes bulged.  Gilgamesh chuckled.  A group of men had been foolish enough to attempt to rob Gilgamesh while he was running towards the city; in exchange, Gilgamesh had kindly relieved them of all the coinage he could find.  He'd figured it would come in handy.

"I'll take them all."


I guess it's a bit late in the cycle to stop the Weasel lynch, especially since most of you seem pretty adamant about it.  I'm not sure that they're going to die, but I suppose it doesn't really matter in the long run.  I'll note that even if Devotion didn't protect them, they've been on Scadrial since last cycle, so it's entirely possible they're using a Feruchemist charge this cycle.  

11 hours ago, Magenta Albatross said:

I agree that Falcon's suggestion for the lynch makes some sense, but I disagree about the lack of elims. One of the options for our faction's win-con involved a lot of killing (we didn't pick that one, as we hare hoping/aiming for a happy ending to the last shard game), so I can't rule out the existence of a faction that, for all intents and purposes, would be functioning as an elimination faction. I'll place a vote later today, but I'm not feeling a weasel lynch right now.

I can confirm that other factions had similar options; my faction did as well, although we ended up going with another win-con since the killing oriented one was rather difficult and a bit boring.  Frankly, though, I wouldn't be surprised if the factions with real kill roles picked something like that, and to be fair, both of the universal win-cons are heavily kill oriented as well.  The real problem is that we don't really have as clear a way of discovering a faction like that in this game.  At any rate, I do agree with Falcon's assessment of lynch options, although I would probably have avoided lynching Weasel again.

11 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said:

What if Devotion has a win con to stop X number of lynches?

Magenta basically just covered what I was going to say. :P  This is what I get for being a slow typer.

On that note, Coral Swan.  Like I said earlier, it might be a bit late to stop the Indigo lynch, but I figure I might as well offer an alternative.  If this one doesn't take off, though, I'd pretty happily join another train.

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