Toaster Retribution he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Posted December 30, 2018 Just a quick thought that struck me: we know that BAM (Ba-Ado-Mishram, an Unmade) got locked up in a gemstone which is lying around somewhere. Could it be Aimia? The aimians are guarding important stuff, and a powerful Unmade is certainly important. 1
Dalakaar he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Posted December 30, 2018 I feel like even if BAM is there, Aimia is hiding something more important that an Unmade. While I was performing my morning ablutions (Read: reading the forum on the toilet) I was pondering the 9 Unmade and the 9 Heralds that Betrayed the Oathpact. And the correlation between the two. Makes me wonder just how much of this "9 is the bad number" is connected to itself. And if the Unmade are connected to the Heralds in some pertinent form.
Mailnaise she/her Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 @Dalakaar I think people have talked about that, or something similar, but I don't know about it... We know that although they did break their oaths, the Herald's didn't die as punishment or anything. They lived, as we know. Therefore we know that they didn't become the Unmade. So the Unmade coming from the breaking of the oath would mean they came from it as some sort of byproduct of the break, and I don't see how that would work exactly...we've never seen any other side effects of broken oaths in Roshar, or even a mention or foreshadowing of something similar. @Toaster Retribution Aimia is definitely hiding something huge and BAM is certainly that. I'm on board with this theory 2
Dalakaar he/him Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 39 minutes ago, Mailnaise said: @Dalakaar I think people have talked about that, or something similar, but I don't know about it... We know that although they did break their oaths, the Herald's didn't die as punishment or anything. They lived, as we know. Therefore we know that they didn't become the Unmade. So the Unmade coming from the breaking of the oath would mean they came from it as some sort of byproduct of the break, and I don't see how that would work exactly...we've never seen any other side effects of broken oaths in Roshar, or even a mention or foreshadowing of something similar. Don't think they are the heralds or anything, and found this to take into consideration... WeiryWriter Are the Unmade Splinters of Odium? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Good guess. source I was wondering more along the lines of what you mentioned above as byproducts. Not necessarily of the breaking of the Oathpact though. I'm at a chicken/egg point in my thoughts about what came first. Was 9 a bad sign before the Oathpact was broken for instance? And if that's the case did this 9 "something" at all impact the Oathbreak in the first place. (Where 9 little unmade whispering on 9 Herald shoulders?) Is 9 representative of something larger (or smaller as the case may be) or was 9 made a cultural taboo simply because the heralds in the first place... /shrug
tmnsquirtle Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 Quote <snip for relevant bits> Herald (paraphrased) Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharan planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric. source Honestly, this is why I think there are 9 unmade. Something about splintering himself into 9 parts was easier for odium, instead of any other number. 1
Mailnaise she/her Posted January 1, 2019 Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) Now the real question was if the two planets were 10- or 9-centric before the shards of Honor, Cultivation and Odium got there... Edit: Do we have a WoB on it? Edited January 1, 2019 by Mailnaise Forgot something 2
Ashertliden Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Quote Herald(paraphrased) Is there more significance to the 10 other planets around the Rosharan star system and them being gaseous? We know that Roshar's moons have unnatural orbits; so there seems to be some astronomical manipulation in the system. Brandon Sanderson(paraphrased) Yes there is significance of 16 in cosmere and 10 in Rosharan system. Herald(paraphrased) The outer 10 gas giants in the Rosharan system suggest a tie to the number 10 that predates the arrival of the current Shards. Is the prominent numerology we see around the cosmere an inherent property of the planets, rather than the Shards who invest them? Brandon Sanderson(paraphrased) Big RAFO. Herald(paraphrased) Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? Brandon Sanderson(paraphrased) Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharan planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric. source you get a "Big RAFO". 1
+Invocation Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 My money is on Gavilar having found BAM and that's what was in the sphere he showed to the Parshendi that set that whole deal in motion.
Ciridae Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Invocation said: My money is on Gavilar having found BAM and that's what was in the sphere he showed to the Parshendi that set that whole deal in motion. I agree he found her, but I think that what's in the spheres is the Voidlight she was able to grant, not actually Ba-Ado-Mishram. There's at least two black spheres, and I think it would be weird if Gavilar just randomly gave one of them to Eshonai if they contained an Unmade.
Quantus he/him Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Mr. T mentioned that Moelach seemed to return right around the same time that Gavilar was getting involved in things, just before his assassination. If that Black Sphere did contain an Unmade, that would be my guess, though it would mean that either the Gem was not Perfect or else somebody intentionally released it.
Zurvanight he/him Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Maybe they have a Dawnshard? Or would that not be possible? I don't think it's ever stated if the Dawnshards were physically destroyed. Possibly lost according to Honor. Maybe they somehow brought one over from Ashyn after they razed it? The Sleepless who kills the ship crew that makes it to Akinah says it's protecting a secret that could end worlds. Sounds like a Dawnshard to me. 2
Dalakaar he/him Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Zurvanite said: Maybe they have a Dawnshard? Or would that not be possible? I don't think it's ever stated if the Dawnshards were physically destroyed. Possibly lost according to Honor. Maybe they somehow brought one over from Ashyn after they razed it? The Sleepless who kills the ship crew that makes it to Akinah says it's protecting a secret that could end worlds. Sounds like a Dawnshard to me. I believe the same thing. Maybe more than one there too. My current guess is the Dawnshards had a hand in the destruction of Ashyn and started on Aimia but were stopped and secured somehow. 1
Zurvanight he/him Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Dalakaar said: I believe the same thing. Maybe more than one there too. My current guess is the Dawnshards had a hand in the destruction of Ashyn and started on Aimia but were stopped and secured somehow. Yeah thats what I figured the "Scouring of Aimia" was. Maybe one of Odium's Unmade or Odium himself discovered Aimia was hiding a Dawnshard, and so the Unmade went there to take or destroy it, but something went wrong, and either the Unmade, or the Aimians accidentally activated it, devastating the islands, but was stopped or contained before more damage could be done, hence the Sleepless guarding it.
Mailnaise she/her Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 17 hours ago, Zurvanite said: Yeah thats what I figured the "Scouring of Aimia" was. Maybe one of Odium's Unmade or Odium himself discovered Aimia was hiding a Dawnshard, and so the Unmade went there to take or destroy it, but something went wrong, and either the Unmade, or the Aimians accidentally activated it, devastating the islands, but was stopped or contained before more damage could be done, hence the Sleepless guarding it. I like that idea...I was never sure about who about who "scoured" Aimia, and I remember no mention of it in the book. The Unmade have been on Roshar for a long time. They've been active outside of now, and looking for a Dawnshard seems like something they would be doing in their spare time. 1
Winds Alight she/her Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Plottwist: There's no Grand Evil hidden in Aimia, it's Honor. He's not dead, he just got tired of it all, went off to his private little islands and shut all down, initiating lots of stories about the evils hidden there so no one will ever bother to come looking what's actually there. 5
supersmith Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 I'm thinking that Aimia is just protecting a bunch of soulcastors, because that's where they were originally made, and the reason he says it would destroy "worlds" is maybe because too much soulcasting is harmful for shadesmar, and roshar, and nobody has noticed it because theres not that many soulcastors around. 3
Zurvanight he/him Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, supersmith said: I'm thinking that Aimia is just protecting a bunch of soulcastors, because that's where they were originally made, and the reason he says it would destroy "worlds" is maybe because too much soulcasting is harmful for shadesmar, and roshar, and nobody has noticed it because theres not that many soulcastors around. That's actually a good point and I feel stupid for not thinking about that.
Mailnaise she/her Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, supersmith said: I'm thinking that Aimia is just protecting a bunch of soulcastors, because that's where they were originally made, and the reason he says it would destroy "worlds" is maybe because too much soulcasting is harmful for shadesmar, and roshar, and nobody has noticed it because theres not that many soulcastors around. Weren't soulcasters man-made though? Such a valuable object would not just be left there in the first place, even if there was repercussions. If the consequences of their use was so big, I don't think the world of Roshar would have ever let themselves grow dependent on them, at least this soon after the "scouring", if it was indeed a man-inflicted event. People right afterward would have passed along that soulcasters were bad if they were so passionate about it that they'd destroy a nation and its peoples.
Mailnaise she/her Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Zurvanite said: That's actually a good point and I feel stupid for not thinking about that. Also, don't. We've all be there in this fandom. 1
supersmith Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Mailnaise said: Weren't soulcasters man-made though? Such a valuable object would not just be left there in the first place, even if there was repercussions. If the consequences of their use was so big, I don't think the world of Roshar would have ever let themselves grow dependent on them, at least this soon after the "scouring", if it was indeed a man-inflicted event. People right afterward would have passed along that soulcasters were bad if they were so passionate about it that they'd destroy a nation and its peoples. The way I understand it they were made in aimia, and when they were invented, they probably didn’t understand how powerful they were. But if someone did discover how powerful they are, namely odium, he might want to figure out how to, or just stop their progress, and that’s why he sent an unmade to destroy aimia. also the people might not have known and or cared that the soulcastors were harmful
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