The Invested Beard Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Posted this in the Discord but I thought I'd bring it here also just to spread the conjecture. So I was listening to the latest Shardcast and this WoB stood out to me: Quote Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 22, 2018) dvoraen "To see the future originates with the Unmade..." "Voidbinding is a dark and evil thing, and the soul of it was to try to divine the future." Is it therefore safe to say that Voidbinding, by extension, also originates with the Unmade? Brandon Sanderson Not always. But usually. Voidbinding is the magic system of Odium. Odium was the original deity of Ashyn. The soul of Voidbinding was to try to divine the future. What if the Ashynites (who were the original Voidbinders) saw some great calamity in their future and tried to prevent it, but in doing so they only created a future even worse? And what if Odium in his greater capacity foresaw this and guided them to destroy their own civilization to further his goals of bringing down other Shards starting with Honor? What if being able to tell the future caused the exodus from Ashyn? We've already seen that what is foreseen can be wrong, i.e. Jasnah not killing Renarin. What do you guys think? Edited December 27, 2018 by The Invested Beard 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSuperLee he/him Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 It would make sense with the idea that the surgebinding somehow destroyed Ashyn. Mainly in that I can see how surge and voidbinding could easily get confused. In addition, it would make sense that if multiple people on Ashyn gained access to future sight there'd be groups that would try to stop the planet's destruction and groups that would try to evacuate. So yeah, I like this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 hours ago, The Invested Beard said: Voidbinding is the magic system of Odium. Odium was the original deity of Ashyn. The soul of Voidbinding was to try to divine the future. I would argue that we don't actually know he was the deity there. Quote Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiances? Did Humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. source The ancient singers assumed that he was their God because he arrived on Roshar at about the same time as them, but whether he was actually their God is yet to be proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 If Odium was the god of Ashyn, it probably wasn't for very long. He was a busy bee before showing up on Roshar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed peace he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 This WoB is at odds with the epigraph in the beginning of TWoK. "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his. Oh Stormfather…we are his. It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." that does indicate that men kind is of odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Blessed peace said: This WoB is at odds with the epigraph in the beginning of TWoK. "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his. Oh Stormfather…we are his. It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." that does indicate that men kind is of odium. If you want to take it that way sure. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed peace he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 What's your take on this epigraph? @Calderis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Blessed peace said: What's your take on this epigraph? @Calderis? Quite simply "we've lost" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace21 he/him Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/27/2018 at 4:25 PM, The Invested Beard said: Voidbinding is the magic system of Odium. Odium was the original deity of Ashyn. The soul of Voidbinding was to try to divine the future. The only one of these I am certain of is that Voidbinding is Odium's magic system. Outside of that we only have educated guesses. I fall in the "Odium had nothing to do with Ashyn" camp, but if he was there, something like this being the cause of the destruction/exodus could make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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