The Grumpy Elantrian he/him Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 We know that humans from the Rosharan system came to Roshar from Ashyn. When they did so, they brought odium with them. They also brought surgebinding, as mentioned in the Aila Stele. But radiants and surgebinders as we saw them are a result of bonding spren of honour and cultivation, where the fused utilise voidbinding by bonding with spren of odium. So basically, would it not make sense that surgebinders on Ashyn were more like the fused in that they use voidlight and voidbinding as granted them by odium? This would then discount concerns about radiants destroying roshar because it's surgebinding granted by powers not prone to deatruction as odium is. I welcome any input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ he/him Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 @The Grumpy Elantrian The magic used by the Ashynites, while similar to Surgebinding, was not the same: Quote Shardbound[PENDING REVIEW] Were the Surges used by humans, the ones that destroyed their previous home, the same as the ones that the Radiants are using. Brandon Sanderson[PENDING REVIEW] Yes, same basic principles. Magic system slightly different. Same basic principles. source (Emphasis added by me) Plus, while we know the magic system wasn’t always disease-based, it can be safely assumed that the magic system we see in the non-canon Silence Divine reading we have is pretty similar to the way it was before it changed and, therefore, not Sugebinding. As for the Fused’s abilities, we have less concrete information. @Calderis would explain this better, but the gist of the theory I support is that the Fused are just Surgebinding (with only access to one Surge) and using voidlight to fuel that Surgebinding. What the Fused do seems way too similar to Surgebinding to be Voidbinding, in my opinion. Unlike for Renarin, who appears to have completely unique abilities with at least one of his Surges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) Per @StrikerEZ summoning, I'll just leave this here... Edit: additionally, though he arrived at the same time, and the singers seemed to have believed that Odium was their God who came with them... That's not necessarily true... Quote Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiances? Did Humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. source Edited December 26, 2018 by Calderis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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