Recreance, another one.

[ScavellTane]

Note that most of this is conjecture. (my second try :fingerscrossed:)

First, the relevant epigraphs.

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"My research into the cognitive reflections of the spren at the tower has been deeply illustrative. Some thought that the Sibling had withdrawn from men by intent- but I find counter to that theory." (1-1, first zircon)

"The wilting of plants and the general cooling of the air is disagreeable, yes, but some of the tower's functions remain in place. The increased pressure, for example, persists." (1-1, second zircon)

"Something is happening to the Sibling. I agree this is true, but the division among the Knights Radiant is not to blame. Our perceived worthiness is a separate issue." (1-1, third zircon)

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"Good night, dear Urithiru. Good night, sweet Sibling. Good night, Radiants." (29-29, ruby)

"Something must be done about the remnants of Odium's forces. The parsh, as they are now called, continue their war with zeal, even without their masters from Damnation." (30-20, first emerald)

"A coalition has been formed among scholar Radiants. Our goal is to deny the enemy their supply of Voidlight; this will prevent their continuing transformations, and give us an edge in combat." (30-20, second emerald)

"Our revelation is fueled by the theory that the Unmade can perhaps be captured like ordinary spren. It would require a special prison. And Melishi." (30-20, third emerald)

"Ba-Ado-Mishram has somehow Connected with the parsh people, as Odium once did. She provides Voidlight and facilitates forms of power. Our strike team is going to imprison her." (30-20, fourth emerald)

"We are uncertain the effects this will have on the parsh. At the very least, it should deny them forms of power. Melishi is confident, but Naze-daughter-Kuzodo warns of unintended side effects." (30-20, fifth emerald)

"Surely this will bring - at long last - the end to war that the Heralds promised us." (30-20, final emerald)

"Don't tell anyone. I can't say it. I must whisper. I foresaw this." ((30-20, a particularly small emerald)

 

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"So Melishi retired to his tent, and resolved to destroy the Voidbringers upon the next day, but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths; and being hurried, he could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Heralds and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address." - Ch30, P18

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"In short, if any presume Kazilah to be innocent, you must look at the facts and deny them in their entirety; to say that the Radiants were destitute of integrity for this execution of one their own, one who had obviously fraternized with the unwholesome elements, indicates the most slothful of reasoning; for the enemy’s baleful influence demanded vigilance on all occasions, of war and of peace." - Ch32, P17

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"That they responded immediately and with great consternation is undeniable, as these were primary among those who would forswear and abandon their oaths. The term Recreance was not then applied, but has since become a popular title by which this event is named." - Ch38, P6

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"Now, as the Windrunners were thus engaged, arose the event which has hitherto been referenced: namely, that discovery of some wicked thing of eminence, though whether it be some rogueries among the Radiants’ adherents or of some external origin, Avena would not suggest." - Ch38, P6

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"This act of great villainy went beyond the impudence which had hitherto been ascribed to the orders; as the fighting was particularly intense at the time, many attributed this act to a sense of inherent betrayal; and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership; but this was only nine of the ten, as one said they would not abandon their arms and flee, but instead entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the other nine." - Ch38, P20

 

The current general consensus is that the severing of the Singers Connection to Roshar is what finally broke the Radiants. I have come to believe that it might not be the case.

Note the ruby entry. The Radiant says good night to Urithiru, the Sibling and the Radiants. Urithiru because it no longer provides protection and they were abandoning it, the Sibling because it left and curiously the Radiants. This is an indication that the disbanding of the Order was already decided before they depart the tower. This is before the Radiants even began researching into containing the Unmade.

That assault upon the Parsh, were the Radiants final task. They were confident that mankind could defeat the Parsh if either side had no access to 'Light'.

The 'act of great villainy', I believe at first, was that the Sibling is Ba-Ado-Mishram and that it had changed sides. Now however, I think there is more to it. Before that moment, due to the devotion to Honor, bonding was only allowed between the 10 Radiant spren and humanity. I think after Honor was 'killed', a large number of possibly Radiant and non-Radiant spren alike started to bond with the Parsh and the Sibling was drawn to that bonding. It is a Bondsmith and it went over to facilitate that process.

This 'act of great villainy' was the spren returning to the Singers due to the absence of Odium and the Fused (and possibly the death of Honor). The Radiants perceiving the Singers as still being the enemy saw that as a betrayal. They then set out to 'kill' those defectors.

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and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership

The Radiants withdrew from Urithiru, two thousand knights attacked and destroyed much of that 'membership'.

I think when the spren say that many spren were killed during the Recreance. They don't just refer to the Deadeyes but also the spren who defected.

Now Melishi. The Singers Connection was deliberately severed. If my assumptions are correct, The Radiants perceived that defection as a danger. They could not destroy all the spren who would wish to bond a Singer, so they did the next best thing. Instead of individually trapping the Unmade and hunting the defectors, Melishi cut the Singers Connection to Roshar. Basically enforcing absolute devotion to Honor (as he saw it) upon the spren.

I don't think the Unmade had ever bonded a human before that day. Once they were no longer able to bond with the Singers, they began to bond humans instead.

Once all was settled, the Parsh no longer a danger, the Radiants severed their own bonds.

 

[Gasper he/him]

This is a very well thought out theory. I like it. It would make sense that the Spren might start trying to bond singers. My only problem is with the Sibling being Unmade. I doubt that the SIbling is an Unmade, my only reasoning for this is because how would have the Sibling have been corrupted. That level of Spren is easily more powerful than an Unmade? Also, why would the Radiants not change their stance on the Singers? It had been two thousand years without the Fused and they had much more contact with the Spren societies than the current Radiants have. I think the Spren would have told them about starting to bond Singers. Other than that, I think it is a good theory.

[Ashaman_Wade he/him]

I don't think that the sibling was BAM. But I would accept that severing the singers connection was something that required the forced death of spren, hence the recreance. 

Maybe the death of Honor, the new Nahel bonds with Singers, and the false desolation at its climax. Right? 

So the bondsmith does something to stop the Singers from bonding at all and it cost 9 orders of radians to match the 9 unmade and forms of powers or whatever. I just don't see anybody with the relationship that kal and syl has, or shall and pattern, killing that bond without it being a direct requirement. Regardless of what act they were a part of.. some would leave and some spren would have survived. 

[ScavellTane]

On 11/16/2018 at 9:34 AM, Gasper said:

This is a very well thought out theory. I like it. It would make sense that the Spren might start trying to bond singers. My only problem is with the Sibling being Unmade. I doubt that the SIbling is an Unmade, my only reasoning for this is because how would have the Sibling have been corrupted. That level of Spren is easily more powerful than an Unmade? Also, why would the Radiants not change their stance on the Singers? It had been two thousand years without the Fused and they had much more contact with the Spren societies than the current Radiants have. I think the Spren would have told them about starting to bond Singers. Other than that, I think it is a good theory.

I don't think the Sibling was corrupted. I think it just went there because the other spren went over. I think it was named Unmade because of historical issues. 

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"The enemy makes another push toward Feverstone Keep. I wish we knew what it was that had them so interested in that area. Could they be intent on capturing Rall Elorim?"

Spren don't really discuss what they're going to do with people.

 

12 hours ago, Ashaman_Wade said:

I don't think that the sibling was BAM. But I would accept that severing the singers connection was something that required the forced death of spren, hence the recreance. 

Maybe the death of Honor, the new Nahel bonds with Singers, and the false desolation at its climax. Right? 

So the bondsmith does something to stop the Singers from bonding at all and it cost 9 orders of radians to match the 9 unmade and forms of powers or whatever. I just don't see anybody with the relationship that kal and syl has, or shall and pattern, killing that bond without it being a direct requirement. Regardless of what act they were a part of.. some would leave and some spren would have survived. 

The Unmade shouldn't really be an issue especially without direct management from Odium. As we see, the humans lived with them for over 2000 years without major issues.

As I see it, the Radiants were more concerned with the Unmade providing the Singers with voidlight (somehow).

And some spren did survive, Ulim and his gang. 

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“Our leaders,” Ulim said, “know exactly what they’re doing. Them I obey. But I am the one who escaped, the spren of redemption. I don’t have to listen to you.”

The Fused call Ulim, the envoy and at first glance one would assume that he is an envoy to the Parshendi. But I believe he is an envoy for those spren that have 'defected' and returned to the Singers hence 'the spren of redemption'.

[Gasper he/him]

7 hours ago, ScavellTane said:

I think it was named Unmade because of historical issues.

My problem with this is that there are Nine Unmade. Nine is Odium's number. Which means that Odium would have created the Nine Unmade before the Heralds left. We see this when Yelig-nar killed all of scribes. I think that Melishi was bonded to the Sibling and the Sibling sensed what he was planning to do to the Parsh. Sensing the war crime in progress, but helpless to stop it, the Sibling started to shut down Urithiru and became a driving factor in causing the rest of the Radiants to kill their spren. The Sibling had had enough of the fighting between the Radiants and the Parsh and so decided to allow Melishi to sever the Parsh's Identity and Connection while at the same time working to end the Radiants. The Sibling shut down both sides of the fight by removing their powers. I do not think it was able to estimate how damaging Melishi's actions would be, which is why once the act was completed, it had Nale and the Skybreakers stay around and kill any new Radiants to prevent the humans from acquiring Surgebinding once again. Given the lack of Shards compared to the amount of Radiants, I think it also commissioned the Shin, given their isolation, to store 90% or more of the Shardblades and Shardplate, along with most of the ancient fabrials as a second check on the humans. It thought the remaining Parsh would not seek out the Fused or Voidspren, so it felt safe in limiting the humans.

[Ashaman_Wade he/him]

I can easily see this happening except we know so little of the Sibling.

Then there is the fact that throughout the history of Roshar the Listeners were still there in between desolations. They messed up when BAM allowed them to have the false desolation after Aheretiam and this changed the conflict. Maybe the radians captured all the thinking unmade, broke the fighting ability of the Listeners by breaking their minds Connection, and once they fulfilled the broken promise of Aheretiam then they broke the establishment that followed the Heralds so closely. 

Amerams fall may be more indicative to the fall of the radiants than the finding of the original voidbringers. Finding out that the Heralds had lied. So they fixed it. 

who (dying honor, cultivation, the Aimiens, heralds, unmade) or what was instrumental in pushing the recreance and fulfilling the heralds broken promise of an end to fighting voidbringers. 

 

As far as the severed connection of Connection and Identity of the Parshman goes. The only kind of power similarity I thought of was when preservation used the last of his power in the mists to snap people. Was their snapping similar? Could Honors dying power be combined with the capture and then severance of BAM as a suucidal power shot. A gift for humanity. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Ashaman_Wade
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