Odium's spren can inhabit Chasmfiends during the Everstorm

[blackmagic3 he/him]

Much like the Parshmen, Chasmfiends pupate and generate a chrysalis to change forms during the highstorm. But during the Everstorm Odium's spren can inhabit them them and change them into voidbringers. During the prelude Kalak sees purple blood at the end of Aharietiam which confirms that something like a Chasmfiend was present in the desolations.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Well, there once was speculations about the Reshi isles turning into Voidgodzillas so why not Chasemfiends as well.

[Argent he/him]

It's possible, I suppose, there is some kind of relationship between the greatshells of Roshar and (some of) the spren. But it's also possible that the Voidbringers are just what we see - listeners bonding with different voidspren - and the purple blood Kalak sees suggests that one of the voidforms can control (to one extent or another) greatshells.

[RShara she/her]

I'm espousing the theory that greatshells are meant to be allied with humans and humans have been hunting them to near-extinction.  Because I love the delicious irony.

[Leuthie]

I'm with RShara. Chasmfiends are Cultivation's. One reason she's giving up on humanity (as stated by Wyndle) is the mass destruction of them on the Shattered Planes. The Parshendi war is going to bite humanity in the chull in many ways

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

I'm with RShara. Chasmfiends are Cultivation's. One reason she's giving up on humanity (as stated by Wyndle) is the mass destruction of them on the Shattered Planes. The Parshendi war is going to bite humanity in the chull in many ways

I'm pretty sure Chasmfiends, Parshendi, etc all predate the arrival of Cultivation, Honor, and humanity. We know that Cultivation and Honor arrived together per WoB. We know that Parshendi are considered the Ancient Ones, and that humanity/earthlike wildlife seems to have migrated from another planet, judging from their mythology, and that Parshendi are very similar to the local wildlife, making them probably native. We know that Parshendi are of neither Cultivation nor Honor nor Odium originally, and since the rest of Roshar's wildlife are similar, they too probably have the same origin. And we know Adonalsium visited Roshar and left some of his power as the original spren, making it very likely that he was the one to create Roshar and all its wildlife.

Of course, I could certainly believe that the Chasmfiends have been "adopted", so to speak, by Cultivation, just like Cultivation and Odium did with the Parshendi.

[Maffu17 he/him]

I'm pretty sure Chasmfiends, Parshendi, etc all predate the arrival of Cultivation, Honor, and humanity. 

 

 

Didn't the Shards send the Highstorms though? Why would the Crustaceans be the dominant lifeform on Roshar before Highstorms?

[Moogle]

Didn't the Shards send the Highstorms though? Why would the Crustaceans be the dominant lifeform on Roshar before Highstorms?

 

Adonalsium Invested some of his power on Roshar before the Shattering. As well, the highstorms are a natural geographical feature of the planet that was 'enhanced' once Roshar was Invested, so life could have evolved around that. This is unlikely, however, because most of Roshar's lifeforms have bonded to spren, which require highstorms infused with Investiture. Perhaps Adonalsium Invested the highstorms.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Moogle

[Maffu17 he/him]

Can someone quote the WoB that states Adonalsium visited Roshar, I haven't seen that one and am having trouble searching it out.

[Moogle]

Can someone quote the WoB that states Adonalsium visited Roshar, I haven't seen that one and am having trouble searching it out.

 

Theoryland hasn't been updated with it, I think, but here you go.

 

From the Seattle signing for Steelheart:

Wetlander: So is that like the mists and the Well?  Are they…

 

A: They are not, because they have not attained self-awareness.  But, the Seons are self-aware.  So, any piece, for instance there were some spren on Roshar before Honor and Cultivation got there.  Those were already splinters of Adonalsium where he had left power which attained sentience on its own.  So, it can be intentional is what I am saying, does that make sense?  You have seen other splinters.

[hoser he/him]

Can someone quote the WoB that states Adonalsium visited Roshar, I haven't seen that one and am having trouble searching it out.

 

 

Theoryland hasn't been updated with it, I think, but here you go.

 

From the Seattle signing for Steelheart:

This can be found in RShara's Words of Brandon (compiled) x2 thread.  A fabulous resource if you are into that sort of thing, which we obviously are.

[Maffu17 he/him]

This can be found in RShara's Words of Brandon (compiled) x2 thread.  A fabulous resource if you are into that sort of thing, which we obviously are.

 

Thanks, i have visited that particular post a few times and got distracted and went off on a tangent each time. Glancing at it now I can see i'm not even 10% of the way down the list! 

 

Gives me something to read over breakfast, yayyers.

[blackmagic3 he/him]

Perhaps was not clear, I do not think Chasmfiends are inherently of Odium. I believe that Odium hijacks the pupation process much like he hijacks the parshmen and turns them into voidbringers. Also the strongest piece of evidence which I forgot to mention was the drawing of a voidbringer in TWOK which looked remarkably like a chasmfiend. While this might be a red herring, the drawing coupled with the purple blood and spren inhabiting the Chasmfiends presents a strong arguement.

[Maffu17 he/him]

The WoB about Adonalsiums visit got me thinking, i didn't want to hijack this thread though so I posted a new one here.