Thanatos Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Still drunk!! So we know that the Dor is a mix of the two shards. What was the magic system prior too the shattering???!!!???? ohh ohh ohh Who where the Svrakiss!!??https://coppermind.net/wiki/Svrakiss Quote Shu-Dereth Faith The Svrakiss are the souls of men barred from entrance into heaven for hating Jaddeth in life, and so are condemned to wander Sel, bitterly cursing their fate and preying on the living. The Derethi believe that they had the ability to take over the bodies of living men and control their actions. When someone who follows Shu-Dereth has bad luck or a difficult time, they often believe that the Svrakiss are to blame. The Svrakiss are considered to be a representation of absolute evil.History The Svrakiss were initally a Svordish concept that was adopted by the Derethi. When Elantris fell, the Derethi claimed that the Elantrians had really been Svrakiss all along, using their evil powers to perform magic to make the weak-minded worship them. This was not a belief shared by the Korathi priests.Hrathen and Dilaf used this doctrine to attempt to turn the Arelish population against the Elantrians,[6] although Hrathen did not genuinely believe that the Elantrians were Svrakiss. Are these guys pre-shattering? {Donimion & Devotion shattering} Now theorize shardlings theorize!! {cause im too drunk and im crashing, night} Thanatos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I think I am here. he/him Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Drunk theories are the best theories. You sir are my idol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Hmm, by description they sound like possessing spirits. Maybe this is an MO of Skaze, they bond humans like Seons, maybe even Need to, but they Dominate their bonded mate rather than Devoting to them. Or maybe they are people who, due to the influence of Dominion, were unusually Connected to the Physical Realm (or at least have a lower bar for becoming a Cognitive Shadow by that process)? These are fun. @Thanatos Do Vax Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted September 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Sssshhh.... last post before I crash with my kitty cat Nin. Meow meow tigar tigar. Are the Svrakiss the 'Herald' equivalent of Sel??? Pre-Shattering of Dominion and Devion??? And they cannot go to the Beyong due to Odium trapping the Shards in the CR?? hmmmm Haaaa Hooooo Ohh My. lol Thanatos out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 @Quantus I think you are mixing the Skaze and the Svrakiss together. the firsts are the well known Splinter of Dominion and analogue to the Devotion's Seon. They are truly influent in the Fjordel empire. The Svrakiss instead are part of the Fjordel folklore and they are the enemies of their god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted September 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) Yata, Didnt even think of that connection, ive always known (post Elantris) that the Seons and Skaze are the 'spren' of Sel. My other thread with Odium and Saze was the Dark Seons.... Is this Odiums influence? Are Dark Seons dark red like the contaminated red spren from Roshar?? Thats what I was getting at in the other thread, but this was another thought pattern, this one was all about...... who and what are the Svrakiss??? Are they pre-shattering of Dominion and Devotion??? Sel's Heralds??? Other??? and if so opinions? theories? Theorize! Edited September 29, 2018 by Thanatos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 I want the Set's faceless immortals to turn out to be Svrakiss. The one we see possesses a homeless man and doesn't seem to mind being blown up very much. If Autonomy is Trell, which I think is likely, maybe the Svrakiss are her footmen. She's got a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, I don't think it's unlikely that she's turned her attention to Sel, one of the most important shardworlds, in the past. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a WoB about Bavadin having a hand in the murder of Aona and Skai as well? Or am I missremembering something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ciridae said: I want the Set's faceless immortals to turn out to be Svrakiss. The one we see possesses a homeless man and doesn't seem to mind being blown up very much. If Autonomy is Trell, which I think is likely, maybe the Svrakiss are her footmen. She's got a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, I don't think it's unlikely that she's turned her attention to Sel, one of the most important shardworlds, in the past. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a WoB about Bavadin having a hand in the murder of Aona and Skai as well? Or am I missremembering something? I've been saying much the same for a couple months now. I think the Svrakiss are Autonomy's thing, and why Brandon says the Elantris sequels need to be written before Era 3. As to the WoB question, yes there is... But it's qualified in a why that makes it fairly meaningless. Quote Moridin997 (paraphrased) Did Bavadin in any way help Odium splinter Dominion and Devotion? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Uhh... Moridin997 (paraphrased) (sensing an incoming RAFO): In any way... Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Uhh... Yes... Yes, you could say that... source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Brandon says the Elantris sequels need to be written before Era 3 Ooh, interesting. I didn't know that. I feel like Sel should be way more important than it is right now. Elantris is so early in the timeline, there's so much progress that's bound to be made by MB era 3. With people like the Ire involved in some serious interplanetary power games, I wouldn't be surprised if Sel's importance will grow cross overs in the Cosmere become more common. And thanks for that WoB, you're right that it doesn't tell us much. She could have simply refused to help A&S and it could be counted as (sort of) helping in their splintering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Thanatos said: My other thread with Odium and Saze was the Dark Seons.... Is this Odiums influence? Are Dark Seons dark red like the contaminated red spren from Roshar?? There are not Dark Seons... Those are simply the Skaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 7:11 AM, Yata said: @Quantus I think you are mixing the Skaze and the Svrakiss together. the firsts are the well known Splinter of Dominion and analogue to the Devotion's Seon. They are truly influent in the Fjordel empire. The Svrakiss instead are part of the Fjordel folklore and they are the enemies of their god. Im not confusing them, Im theorizing that they are the same thing. Or at least that myths and folklore of the Scrakiss are rooted in actual Skaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, Quantus said: Im not confusing them, Im theorizing that they are the same thing. Or at least that myths and folklore of the Scrakiss are rooted in actual Skaze. I doubt that. The Svrakiss were supposed to be spirits that animate bodies. (which is why I think they're the "Faceless Immortals" of the Set) Skaze are like dark Seons, and are active and present in Fjordell culture. If the Svrakiss are Skaze, they would be the ones that actually shaped that mythos. Quote Locke219 When Dilaf is instructing the monks in how to kill the Elantrians, he mentions purification rites that need to be spoken. Do the rites have to do with the Dor? Or are they purely religious/ritualistic? Brandon Sanderson They are mostly ritualistic, but a lot of what the Dakhor do is strongly influenced by the Skaze. Read into that what you will. source Quote Questioner [Does] the expansion of Jaddeth’s empire have more to do with greed and hunger for power, or the innate nature of Dominion? Brandon Sanderson Both. I would say both. The innate nature of Dominion probably caused the greed and hunger for power. Questioner What would you say percentage-wise? Brandon Sanderson Well, one caused the other. It definitely started with Dominion. The Skaze are pretty thirsty for power. source The Skaze are actively helping to shape Fjordell culture and the Derethi religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 15 hours ago, Calderis said: I doubt that. The Svrakiss were supposed to be spirits that animate bodies. (which is why I think they're the "Faceless Immortals" of the Set) Skaze are like dark Seons, and are active and present in Fjordell culture. If the Svrakiss are Skaze, they would be the ones that actually shaped that mythos. The Skaze are actively helping to shape Fjordell culture and the Derethi religion. Oh, ok I see the political issue now. Thought unless we have reason to believe the Skaze are a unified force, I dont see why there could be rival groups working against each other (and the WOB about their innate greed and hunger for power, I would expect a certain amount of in-fighting. Do they "Animate Bodies" or do they Possess the Living? Coppermind says the latter, which is what I was basing most of this idea on. My thought was that Seons bond similarly to Spren, and Skaze are another breed of Seon/spren that should presumably be capable of something similar. But given their characterization I could easily see them turning that bond into a hostile Domination instead of a loyal advisor role like seons (there's precedent for this in the Fused). From there it just seemed like the Svrakiss fit pretty well for a myth of Dominating Skaze that take human hosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted October 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Im now liking the idea that the Svrakiss are the Faceless Immortals, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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