Mistborn can burn Shardblades

[+Ark1002]

My theory is that an mistborn could burn Shardblades or Shardplate, as it is a small splinter, it would be almost a god metal. So if a mistborn were to ingest a piece of shardplate (or shardblade) they could burn it like any other god metal. One thing I wonder is how it would work. Would it give Mistborn the effects of stormlight? Would it function as the godmetal of the respective shard? That's my theory.

[Darth Woodrack]

Even if they could they would probably just hear screams and then get the powers of whatever type of spren it was.

[goody153]

Shardblades (i dunno about shardplates) are basically godmetal. So long as the shard itself who is associated with the said shardblade has injecting himself/herself into the Scadrian allomantic magic system then the shardblade should be burnable by a Mistborn. 

The effects would be whatever that allomantic metal should give the mistborn tho.

But if the said shard doesn't intergrate himself/herself into the magic system then the other godmetals would be basically useless.

[BitBitio]

49 minutes ago, Ark1002 said:

My theory is that an mistborn could burn Shardblades or Shardplate, as it is a small splinter, it would be almost a god metal. So if a mistborn were to ingest a piece of shardplate (or shardblade) they could burn it like any other god metal. One thing I wonder is how it would work. Would it give Mistborn the effects of stormlight? Would it function as the godmetal of the respective shard? That's my theory.

I don't think so. It isn't one of the sixteen base metals, or an alloy of the godmetals. 

If I recall correctly we have WoB confirmation that while it is possible, it requires "some work."

[+Doomstick]

47 minutes ago, BitBitio said:

I don't think so. It isn't one of the sixteen base metals, or an alloy of the godmetals. 

If I recall correctly we have WoB confirmation that while it is possible, it requires "some work."

Some work heh, you’d need some sort of super shard-file to get dem metal shavings 

[RShara]

Brandon has answered this!

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What would happen if a Mistborn ingested the metal of a Shardblade/plate?

Brandon Sanderson

A shardblade is invested. A Mistborn isn't likely to have a tie to that type of Investiture. So probably nothing would happen…

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[+Doomstick]

Duralumin compounding is always the answer 

[Fanghur Rahl]

Are Shardblades actually made of metal though, or is that just the way they appear? I certainly don't think they'd be made of any element on the periodic table.

[I think I am here.]

I don’t think I have a doubt of Shardblades/Plate being a godmetal (or perhaps an alloy of Honour and Cultivation’s), but I agree with Goody153.

Metal is just the way the Investiture solidifies. Not an element, but then again, neither is Atium. If the Shard doesn’t mix themselves and their power with the Metallic Arts, then the Godmetals would do nothing.

This is also what I think the ‘some work’ is. That the Shard need to mix, integrate, alloy, if you will () with the relevant magic system before it can be manifested into magic by said magic system users.

Compounding Connection wouldn’t work, in my opinion. Note how Brandon said they wouldn’t have a ‘tie’ to the godmetal rather than ‘Connection’, per say. The problem isn’t the fact that the godmetal isn’t Connected to the Allomancer, it’s that the godmetal isn’t Connected to the magic system, thereby being impossible to access even by a Mistborn/Connection Compounder unless the Metallic Arts themselves are fundamentally changed.

This is what I believe is happening with Trellium (supposedly Autonomy’s godmetal). Note it’s red features, and how red is a signal of interfereing/integrating Investiture. The Godmetal is alloying itself to the Metallic Arts, which is why it can be used in Hemalurgy, as well as Feruchemy and Allomancy (Since if a metal works in one art it works in them all). This is why a simple compounder wouldn’t be able to cut it, you’d need to change the Metallic Arts themselves, not Connection.

So, I propose that if Honour/Cultivation (depending who’s godmetal it is) intermingled with Scadrial’s magic (inevitably appearing as red Investiture), only then would the metal be viable in Allomancy, and subsequently Feruchemy and Hemalurgy.

As for its Allomantic effects, we can only guess based on the two Allomantic Godmetals we’ve seen. Lerasium helps you Preserve yourself by turning you into a Mistborn, Atium allows you to Ruin more effectively, giving you a future sight only useful in combat, so we can assume our Godmetal, if it was of Honour, would allow you to help Honour things, so maybe it would allow you to sense lies or something, meaning while you were burning it, people would have to Honour their word. If it was of Cultivation, I would assume a Regrowth-like effect, and if it was an alloy... who knows by now?

Feruchemy and Allomancy never seem to really be connected to the Godmetals as much (Atium stores age - what) unless the Godmetals are of the god the magic system is related to (eg. Lerasium giving all Allomantic powers, Atium stealing all powers), so yeah, probably can’t say much about those two.

So, yeah, speculation. What do you think?

[Calderis]

I think that atium is the key that shows that godmetals are burnable. 

Lerasium being burnable in Allomancy makes perfect sense beyond the bad r metals. It's Preservation's metal in Preservation's system. But atium? Ruin wouldn't have added himself into the system, just the world, and more importantly the people, because of the deal. The same could be said in reverse about lerasium with hemalurgy, and we know that lerasium would work, even if poorly, as a spike. 

I think that Trellium is still something that a Scadrian Mistborn, assuming that they still existed, would be unable to burn. Yes, it was used in Hemalurgy, but unlike Allomancy and Feruchemy, there's no Spiritual component needed by a user in Hemalurgy. You need the metal, knowledge of bindpoints, and the intent to make a spike. That's it. 

The Shardblade WoB says they have no tie to the Investiture in a Shardblade and I do think that's Connection. It doesn't say that there wouldn't be an effect, or that the metal is non-viable. 

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If Odium were lured to Scadrial, would his physical body turn into a burnable metal?

If so, could Harmony create an Odium-metal legion of Mistings to consume and burn it?

Would that weaken him sufficiently enough to be killed or destroyed?

Brandon Sanderson

The difficulty here is, again, one of Identity. People born on Scadrial have an Identity tied to it and its magic. Odium would have to do certain things to make them able to use a magic he fuels. He has done these things on Roshar, so it's not impossible for him to manage it on Scadrial.

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The key is the people. Scadrians are composed of Preservation and Ruin. They are tied to those two Shards. 

This is why I've said that I think the only allomancer that would currently be able to burn other godmetals is Hoid. He lived pre-shattering. He should have been tied, in some way, to Adonalsium and because of that have ties to all of the Shards.