+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Why didn't Demoux snap when he went out in the mists in Well of Ascension? Did only the daymists Snap people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith he/him Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 It's been a while since I read, so maybe you're talking about a different instance that I don't remember, but he DID snap. Spoiler All of the "Mistfallen" are Atium mistings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 He was Snapped by the mists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, Wreith said: It's been a while since I read, so maybe you're talking about a different instance that I don't remember, but he DID snap. Hide contents All of the "Mistfallen" are Atium mistings 34 minutes ago, RShara said: He was Snapped by the mists. Yes, but he was out in the mists in Well of Ascension, though he didn't snap until Hero of Ages. I'm trying to ask why it took until his second on-camera mist exposure to Snap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith he/him Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, Invocation said: Yes, but he was out in the mists in Well of Ascension, though he didn't snap until Hero of Ages. I'm trying to ask why it took until his second on-camera mist exposure to Snap. There was no additional snapping. That WAS the snap. an Atium misting just wasn't a known thing and Atium is too expensive to just try randomly so no one knew what had happened to them. He did in fact snap in WoA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, Wreith said: There was no additional snapping. That WAS the snap. an Atium misting just wasn't a known thing and Atium is too expensive to just try randomly so no one knew what had happened to them. He did in fact snap in WoA Why did he have a seizure from the mists in HoA with the rest of the mistfallen, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, Invocation said: Why did he have a seizure from the mists in HoA with the rest of the mistfallen, then? I don't remember Demoux being exposed to the mists in WoA? They only just started coming during the day at the beginning, and hadn't really encroached too much by the end of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, RShara said: I don't remember Demoux being exposed to the mists in WoA? They only just started coming during the day at the beginning, and hadn't really encroached too much by the end of the book. So is it only the daymists that cause the Snapping, then? That was part of my confusion in the initial question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 I don't remember him being out in the mists at all in WoA, is what I'm saying. Neither day nor night. There just wasn't much in the way of day mists yet in WoA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, RShara said: I don't remember him being out in the mists at all in WoA, is what I'm saying. Neither day nor night. There just wasn't much in the way of day mists yet in WoA. When Vin was suspecting him of being the kandra spy, she followed him out into the mists to meet with the Church of the Survivor he preached for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Was it misty that night? Like, more than a few wisps? He was in the city, walking between buildings and stuff, right? There might not have been enough to Snap him. Edited September 7, 2018 by RShara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, RShara said: Was it misty that night? Like, more than a few wisps? He was in the city, walking between buildings and stuff, right? Full thick mists, yes, because Vin was able to get fairly close to Demoux without being seen, and he was in the city, walking from Keep Venture to where the meeting was, but it was definitely outside somewhere, because of the whole Lord of the Mists thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith he/him Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RShara said: I don't remember Demoux being exposed to the mists in WoA? They only just started coming during the day at the beginning, and hadn't really encroached too much by the end of the book. That's the source of my own confusion then. OP mention of him going out in WoA combined with a misplaced reference marker in the coppermind. The day mists began when Preservation's power was no longer required to contain Ruin They were responsible for snapping the 1/16 of people to create the atium army. If you check out the annotations, Brandon talks about the day mists causing a sickness because the intended mistings had the potential for power but weren't spiritually broken enough. So the illness was severe enough (possibly combined with the shaming for it afterward) to allow allomancy. Quote Many of these people won’t be very strong Allomancers. Their abilities were buried too deeply to have come out without the mists’ intervention. Others will have a more typical level of power; they might have Snapped earlier, had they gone through enough anguish to bring the power out. My idea on this is that Allomantic potential is a little like a supersaturated solution. You can suspend a great deal of something like sugar in a liquid when it is hot, then cool it down and the sugar remains suspended. Drop one bit of sugar in there as a catalyst, however, and the rest will fall out as a precipitate. Allomancy is the same. It’s in there, but it takes a reaction—in this case, physical anguish—to trigger it and bring it out. That’s because the Allomantic power comes from the extra bit of Preservation inside of humans, that same extra bit that gives us free will. the ch 70 annotations for HoA edit: OP answer, he wasn't broken enough spiritually prior to his illness. Edited September 7, 2018 by Wreith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wreith said: That's the source of my own confusion then. OP mention of him going out in WoA combined with a misplaced reference marker in the coppermind. The day mists began when Preservation's power was no longer required to contain Ruin They were responsible for snapping the 1/16 of people to create the atium army. If you check out the annotations, Brandon talks about the day mists causing a sickness because the intended mistings had the potential for power but weren't spiritually broken enough. So the illness was severe enough (possibly combined with the shaming for it afterward) to allow allomancy. the ch 70 annotations for HoA Ok, so it was only the daymists that Snapped people. That was my confusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith he/him Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Invocation said: Ok, so it was only the daymists that Snapped people. That was my confusion. Well, to be clear, no. People snapped before the day mists. The day mist just forced a snapping in people that could have snapped naturally but hadn't yet. I realize you may be referring to this one instance now, but I want to be clear. Edited September 7, 2018 by Wreith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Wreith said: Well, to be clear, no. People snapped before the day mists. The day mist just forced a snapping in people that could have snapped naturally but hadn't yet. Yeah I got that bit. I meant in the mists themselves, only the daymists snapped. Edited September 7, 2018 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmnsquirtle Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Technically, it wasn't the day mists or the night mists at all. It was that the release of the power from the WoA changed the 'threshold' at which the mists would snap someone. I could have sworn there was a clear WoB or annotation out there on this, but this is all I found for the moment: Quote Brandon Sanderson The Sliding Scale of Allomantic Potential Noblemen, despite what Spook says in this chapter, are not immune to the mistsickness. The rumor Spook is referencing does have merit, however. You see, since the mists are Snapping people and awakening the Allomantic potential within them, it will affect far fewer noblemen than skaa. Why? Because a lot of the noblemen have already Snapped. They were beaten as children to bring out the powers. However, that won't stop all of them from being affected by the mistsickness, because the mistsickness is also awakening Allomantic potential that would otherwise be too subtle to be brought out. Pretend there's a sliding scale of Allomantic potential. 100% means you're an Allomancer—in this series, only two people have hit 100%—Vin and Elend. Buried within a lot of people, however, is enough of a touch of Preservation's power to hit, say, 50% on the relative scale of Allomantic power. These people, when beaten and made to pass through something traumatic, awaken to their Allomantic abilities. There are a lot of people out there, however, with something more like 20% to 30%. These are the people the mists are Snapping—since the mists are, themselves, partially the power of Preservation, they can touch people and increase their Allomantic potential slightly and then bring it to the forefront. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 There is a bit of confusion here. The Mists started to snap people just after Ruin's release as part of Preservation's plan. So whatever it happened before is irrelevant. Also there is no difference in be exposed to the daymist or nightmist... It is exactly the same mist and same effect. Also I read somewhere here the mist started to last during day because preservation wasn't forced to keep ruin trapped, this is also false. The mist started to last longer because Ruin pushed to do it... ATI gaves them more strength to make people freaking out. Preservation's effort during the whole trilogy is mostly the same... Indeed probably Leras had to force himself more once Ati was free and you could see how fast his consuming happened once the "prison" (that isn't actual a prison but regardless) was no more. TLTR: the mists started to Mistsnap people only after a certain moment and started slowly. Demoux was out in the mist before that moment so it was not affected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeshdan he/him Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 5:14 PM, tmnsquirtle said: Technically, it wasn't the day mists or the night mists at all. It was that the release of the power from the WoA changed the 'threshold' at which the mists would snap someone. I could have sworn there was a clear WoB or annotation out there on this, but this is all I found for the moment: I think this is the one you're looking for: Quote (Note that Demoux would have had to go out in the mists after the time when they started killing people. This happened while Vin approached the Well of Ascension—by way of trivia, the mists changed the very moment the full power of the Well returned to be drawn again. Anyway, any times Demoux went into the mists before then would not have inoculated him.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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