Kaladin Zahel Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 A couple of thoughts just occurred to me, "Did Dalinar actually cause the Final Desolation(in-world term/voidbringers)?" And , "Shouldn't there be at least some remaining Parshmen somewhere?" It seems to me that there should have been some Parshmen who were protected (from awakening and becoming fused/singers) from the Everstorm by simply being indoors. We know that gems don't become infused if they aren't left out in highstorms and that Odium is unable to visit Mr. T and Venli during the Everstorm if he is physically blocked. So, is there some loophole here where Parshmen are able to be reconnected regardless of a barrier in the way, or did Branderson miss this inconsistency, or are we to believe Dalinar's warning caused 100% of coalition-related kingdoms' Parshmen to be left outside diring the Everstorm? If it's the latter, then it certainly seems like Dalinar goofed up big time and is essentially responsible for recruiting massive quantities of Voidbringers for Odium. How might this have gone if noone worried about Parshmen being Voidbringers and protected them as per usual? I think it would have been a more interesting Oathbringer if the few Fused and Singers that did transform had to free Parshmen in each city to acquire numbers instead of 'magically' having great numbers initially. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainKing Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Yes a parshman could not be healed, by staying indoors behind a thick wall, but the everstorm won't end, so if they are ever outside or near outside they will be healed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 A real thick wall would protect the Parish to a degree but the Everstorm arrived unexpected and much more Parshmen are not usually keeped in solid building and regardless most of the solid building are reinforced only to the Hightstorm side. The Everstorm wreached a lot of Rosharan habits. Also if some Parshmen avoided the healing, probably his friends would took him with them and exposed him to the Everstorm to help him. There are also the Redemption spren around trying to increase their number. TLTR: Probably some Parshmen avoided the healing at the beginning, but he others or the spren figure out how to heal him regardless. Also the Parshmen were probably less protected than you may think so very few were outside the Everstorm reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainKing Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 We got a name for the spren guiding the Parshmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladin Zahel Posted August 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Yata said: The Everstorm wreached a lot of Rosharan habits. Also if some Parshmen avoided the healing, probably his friends would took him with them and exposed him to the Everstorm to help him. There are also the Redemption spren around trying to increase their number. Interesting explanation. I would have enjoyed reading about that. It just seems curious for this sort of thing to be left out. Perhaps we will get Parshman flashback later instead of just the Listeners' and Singers' perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, MountainKing said: We got a name for the spren guiding the Parshmen? I mixed those....the one who calls himself Spren of Redemption is Ulim not the one guiding the Parshmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skryter he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 I'm pretty sure some of the Listeners escaped, or attempted to escape, the effects of the voidspren during WoR in one of the interludes or an Eshonai chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Skryter said: I'm pretty sure some of the Listeners escaped, or attempted to escape, the effects of the voidspren during WoR in one of the interludes or an Eshonai chapter. The OP refered to the Parshmen, not the Listeners. Indeed a chunk of Listeners could be around hidden somewhere but the troublesome part for the OP was the complete lack of Parshmen not turned from the first Everstorm and I agree it's weird Edited August 26, 2018 by Yata 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skryter he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Yata said: The OP refered to the Parshmen, not the Listeners. Indeed a chunk of Listeners could be around hidden somewhere but the troublesome part for the OP was the complete lack of Parshmen not turned from the first Everstorm and I agree it's weird Ah, I misunderstood what the OP was asking about. Thanks for the clarification. I surmise that there's probably a few still around and that Brandon hasn't written about them yet or just deemed their existence relatively unimportant towards the overall narrative. Do we have a WoB on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, Skryter said: Do we have a WoB on this? No wob on this, but now I will find weird to find some Parshmen around. The Everstorm passed many times and the new Singers probably will search for missing friend and help them to heal too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Well one thing to consider, is that the WoB we have about the Everstorm changing them... It actually doesn't refer to the Parshmen. It was about a dullform listener. Quote Questioner A dullform listener is indoors when the Everstorm passes over, will they be transformed into a Voidform? Brandon Sanderson No. It depends on the strength of the boundary between them, but it is possible for them-- And also being transformed, taking new forms is-- There is a measure of will behind it, meaning-- For instance, even when Eshonai took the new form, she had herself open to taking a new form. By the time she didn't want to, it was too late. But she had made the decision, even though she'd been kind of misled in some ways. If a parshmen were in-- even in the Everstorm, and aggressively didn't want this to happen, I'm not saying it won't, but I'm saying there is room for discussion of whether or not they would change there. But also one who does want to, and is-- there's only a little pane of glass and things like that, then-- Yeah. source I still think that being indoors (in a substantial structure) would protect them... But they may be more vulnerable then it seemed at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calderis said: Well one thing to consider, is that the WoB we have about the Everstorm changing them... It actually doesn't refer to the Parshmen. It was about a dullform listener. I still think that being indoors (in a substantial structure) would protect them... But they may be more vulnerable then it seemed at first. I agree but I don't think most of the Parshmen were held into very sturdy structures...much more not very sturdy structures designed to suffer a storm from the wrong side. Then, we saw the Everstorm is actually a bit malicious in its route...so it's not impossible the storm itself slowed down to crack the building where Parshmen are to facilitate the healing and increase the time of exposure Ps: is the same if Odium is guiding the Storm instead of the storm itself be the one in control Edited August 26, 2018 by Yata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScavellTane Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 The storm probably has some Rhythm that compels them to go outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iarwainiel I she/her Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 I just checked the OB chapter where Kaladin reaches Hearthstone -- when he checks out the smaller building where the parshmen had been kept, there was "a large hole ripped out of the side." Presumably Roshone would have had his parsh slaves locked in there during the storm, so they broke their way out. But maybe that structure was made of wood, not stone? Would it have had windows? Great question OP! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladin Zahel Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Execellent points Yata and Lump-wing. Perhaps, in Odium's planning, he made sure to break down the boundaries where the Parshmen were being secured. If this is the case though, it seems like Odium has been under-utilizing such an impressive weapon. I am still holding out for some good lighteyed souls who would have kept their expensive pets/friends/slaves with them. It's just too simple for me to think he would have restored all of them so precisely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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