Ripheus23 Posted August 23, 2018 Posted August 23, 2018 I don't remember right now, and of course who knows (Sanderson could do things differently otherwise in any event), but has he done a transition to a flashback, in which the focus of the flashback is not the character whose POV the previous/upcoming chapter is from? I.e. a "pure" flashback POV, in that context?
Draginon he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Author Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Mistborn Era 1 spoilers: Spoiler @Fanghur Rahl That's a messy area but I'll have to say no since if we count Dalinar becoming a Shard as him dying then we'd have to consider Sazed dead as well along with Elantrians and Returned since they all technically die before becoming 'gods' Edited August 24, 2018 by Mestiv Hiding spoilers
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Mistborn Era 1 spoilers: Spoiler 11 hours ago, Draginon said: @Fanghur Rahl That's a messy area but I'll have to say no since if we count Dalinar becoming a Shard as him dying then we'd have to consider Sazed dead as well along with Elantrians and Returned since they all technically die before becoming 'gods' Not really because both Szeth and the Returned are still in their original bodies (I think?), whereas a Shard is a purely post-physical entity. But yeah, I agree that the question is a really murky metaphysical one. Edited August 24, 2018 by Mestiv Hiding spoilers
Draginon he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Author Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Mistborn Era 1 spoilers: Spoiler 4 hours ago, Fanghur Rahl said: Not really because both Szeth and the Returned are still in their original bodies (I think?), whereas a Shard is a purely post-physical entity. But yeah, I agree that the question is a really murky metaphysical one. I said Sazed, not Szeth, since he's the only character we've seen ascend and not kill themselves (looking at you Vin). I guess the best way to think of ascending=death is if they are still the same person, using Ruin as an example Ruin was killed at the end of HOA but Ati had died centuries before because he was no longer Ati by the time the books happen. Edited August 24, 2018 by Mestiv Hiding spoilers
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Mistborn Era 1 spoilers: Spoiler 58 minutes ago, Draginon said: I said Sazed, not Szeth, since he's the only character we've seen ascend and not kill themselves (looking at you Vin). I guess the best way to think of ascending=death is if they are still the same person, using Ruin as an example Ruin was killed at the end of HOA but Ati had died centuries before because he was no longer Ati by the time the books happen. Sorry, I misread that. Either way, I pretty much agree with you. I just wasn’t sure whether you would consider being vaporized and having your mind transferred to a Shard as ‘dying’ or not. Although, it kinda gets a bit fuzzy because it isn’t quite clear whether it’s ‘Cut and Paste’ or ‘Copy and Paste’. Regardless, like I said, I basically agree with you. Edited August 24, 2018 by Mestiv Hiding spoilers
Mestiv he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 @Fanghur Rahl and @Draginon - please hide Mistborn spoilers in the Stormlight forum. I edited your posts, but please hide it from now on.
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 56 minutes ago, Mestiv said: @Fanghur Rahl and @Draginon - please hide Mistborn spoilers in the Stormlight forum. I edited your posts, but please hide it from now on. I wasn’t the one who posted spoilers, but setting that aside, how exactly do I do the ‘hide text’ thing? I’ve been trying to figure it out but I haven’t been able to, not on my phone at least.
Mestiv he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, Fanghur Rahl said: I wasn’t the one who posted spoilers, but setting that aside, how exactly do I do the ‘hide text’ thing? I’ve been trying to figure it out but I haven’t been able to, not on my phone at least. You can create new spoiler box using the eye button on mobile. It'd be hard to put quoted try inside spoiler tag on mobile though. 2
Unlicensed Hemalurgist he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 10:52 PM, Morsk said: I used to expect Kaladin to die, until I realized how many of Brandon's male protagonists can fly. If he kills Kaladin, he's going to have to spend many pages replacing him with another man who can fly. It sounds like too much bother. Maybe Taln will get the other Honorblade instead of his original, and use it to fly. Any hint of that though, and we know Kaladin is toast. Wait, what other male Cosmere protagonists can fly other than Kaladin?
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Unlicensed Hemalurgist said: Wait, what other male Cosmere protagonists can fly other than Kaladin? Does Szeth count?
Unlicensed Hemalurgist he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Fanghur Rahl said: Does Szeth count? Well I guess he does now that he's a Skybreaker. Oh dang, Kal's in for it this time.
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Unlicensed Hemalurgist said: Well I guess he does now that he's a Skybreaker. Oh dang, Kal's in for it this time. Honestly, I think if either of them is going to die, it’ll almost certainly be Szeth.
Morsk he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Unlicensed Hemalurgist said: Wait, what other male Cosmere protagonists can fly other than Kaladin? Some Mistborn characters have it, but it would be spoilery if I made a list. I don't think it necessarily has to be male characters either, just that once a world has flying magic, there are always going to be PoV characters using it. Maybe Szeth is enough! If he doesn't die. But even he's set as a PoV character more for the first half, than the second half. I'm not expecting to see more of Szeth and Kaladin in Stromlight 6-10 than we see Jasnah now, if they live at all.
Johhny_Eastland he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 As much as it kills me to say this, Dalinar. He is my favorite character but he due to several factors he either dies at the end of book 5 or ascends in some fashion. He's the only character I am certain will die. Well Taravangian I'm pretty certain will die. 1
Ashertliden Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 Sanderson will probably kill The Lopen at the end of cycle one just to mess with people.
Zelly Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 I pretty sure that Brandon said somewhere there were several characters who were killed off in the original scripts (I can't remember who, but I want to say Szeth and Jasnah. WoB help anyone?), but then ended up being written in more. I'm thinking they may have had a stay of execution, but are still actually on the chopping block. But drafts can change immensely, so who knows.
MistboreD Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 Szeth and/or Kaladin can die in book 5. Maybe Adolin. Shallan will likely survive. Dalinar will fully Ascend as Honor. 2
Willshaping Crasher Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 I'm kind of surprised so many think Shallan will survive. She is number one on my dead list.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Zellyia said: I pretty sure that Brandon said somewhere there were several characters who were killed off in the original scripts (I can't remember who, but I want to say Szeth and Jasnah. WoB help anyone?), but then ended up being written in more. I'm thinking they may have had a stay of execution, but are still actually on the chopping block. But drafts can change immensely, so who knows. Adolin died in the original version of WoK, but in the canon books he obviously survived. I don´t think he got a pass on dying though. I would be surprised if SA10 ends and Adolin still lives.
Draginon he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Author Posted August 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Willshaping Crasher said: I'm kind of surprised so many think Shallan will survive. She is number one on my dead list. I think it's because she still has a story to tell, her weird split personality comes to mind, and Sanderson isn't like Martin where he kills characters off for shock value whether their story is done or not. I think Brandon has also said he likes Shallan so I think it would be harder on him to kill her than the others.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, Draginon said: I think Brandon has also said he likes Shallan so I think it would be harder on him to kill her than the others. Spoilers for Mistborn and Warbreaker: Spoiler List of characters we know that Brandon likes: Vin Elend Lightsong Elhokar List of characters we know Brandon has killed: Vin Elend Lightsong Elhokar In short, I doubt this is an issue :-) 3
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) Accidental double post. Edited August 25, 2018 by Toaster Retribution
Draginon he/him Posted August 25, 2018 Author Posted August 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: Spoilers for Mistborn and Warbreaker: Hide contents List of characters we know that Brandon likes: Vin Elend Lightsong Elhokar List of characters we know Brandon has killed: Vin Elend Lightsong Elhokar In short, I doubt this is an issue :-) Wasn't aware which characters he really liked so I guess she's in danger unless he wants to defy that for once
Song she/her Posted August 26, 2018 Posted August 26, 2018 In regards to the first arch, I was convinced for ages that Taln would die (Too good for this world kind of thing) but I feel like I read a recent WOB that seemed to imply that all the back half characters will be alive for their books (he didn't say that but the way he talked about the back half books didn't seem to leave room for a Eshonai situation). So I think Dallinar will ascend, and Adolin and Navani will die. I am just not sure about Kaladin. It seems to be that he is the kind of person who is always trying to give his life for others, and that perhaps learning to live with loss would be a better arch for him? I think Szeth will die, and probably a stack of Bridge 4 and most of the Heralds.
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