The Secrets of Aimia

[+Invocation]

In the Oathbringer (do i still need to put the thing in front of the title?) interludes, we saw something at the area around Aimia and into the basic area.

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Some rumors told of a vengeful storm here...The strange wind they'd encountered-which didn't match the timing of highstorm or Everstorm-seemed to support that.
-Oathbringer, I-4 (Kaza), Kindle, page 556 of 1227

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Thre are those who could pull secrets from your soul, and the cost would be the end of worlds.
-Oathbringer, I-4 (Kaza), Kindle, page 561 of 1227

Do we know what they're talking about? Is it maybe The Sibling?

Edited August 19, 2018 by Invocation

[dvoraen]

I don't think we have 100% of the picture, but there is speculation that the Aimians are keeping people away from an Unmade trapped there.  Hessi's Mythica speculates that Dai-Gonarthis* may have been involved with (or the cause of) the scouring of Aimia.  Given that Akinah has given a nickname of "The Void's Playground" (per Kala's interlude), there may be some truth to that.

As to "those who could pull secrets from your soul," my wager is on Sja-anat being capable of this.  She is called the Taker of Secrets, after all, but we curiously have not been explicitly told why she is called that.

 

* Hessi also seems hesitant about the existence of Dai-Gonarthis, but in that one question ("Is it truly Dai-Gonarthis?") I got the impression that she doesn't want to believe whatever her sources had to say about Dai-Gonarthis.  I also feel that Hessi is a little scared of Dai-Gonarthis's rumored abilities as well.  Given the hint from the Way of Kings Death Rattle ("...Let me no longer hurt! Let me no longer weep!..."), and the possibility that Dai-Gonarthis is one of the sapient Unmade, I'd be a little scared too.

[Chaos he/him]

@Invocation You do not need to place the topic tag anymore.  

[+Invocation]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

@Invocation You do not need to place the topic tag anymore.  

Wonderful. Thank you.

[earthexile]

I think Aimia conceals fabrials on an epic scale. The kinds of fabrials you would need to, say, Soulcast a big chunk of Roshar into being Earthish instead. Or to flatten an entire region into a smooth, shallow basin. Or to shatter a plain in a symmetrical pattern. Or to make stone flow into massive constructs to create environments for humans, like Urithiru and the Windblades.

I think there is terraforming equipment. Which is why the consequences of it being found could be "the ends of worlds." 

[Gasper he/him]

10 hours ago, earthexile said:

I think Aimia conceals fabrials on an epic scale. The kinds of fabrials you would need to, say, Soulcast a big chunk of Roshar into being Earthish instead. Or to flatten an entire region into a smooth, shallow basin. Or to shatter a plain in a symmetrical pattern. Or to make stone flow into massive constructs to create environments for humans, like Urithiru and the Windblades.

I think there is terraforming equipment. Which is why the consequences of it being found could be "the ends of worlds." 

I had not thought of that before. It would make sense that off world fabrials would be stored away from people who would use them as weapons. Maybe that is one of the reasons that the Knights Radiant commited spren suicide. Someone found a terraforming device and used it to create the shattered plains in a effort to eliminate the Singers. However, it basically destroyed one of the Silver Kingdoms and caused huge amount of civilian deaths. That might cause the Radiants to break their Oaths/ go into hiding to prevent the fabrials from being used again. Maybe the Elsecallers and Lightweavers created the stone spikes and weirdness around Aimia to help the Aimians hide the WMDs.

[+Child of Hodor]

It conceals the 10th Dawnshard which is the one Dawnshard that Odium hasn’t turned into an Unmade.  

Dawnshards being “planet Spren” one for each of the 10 planets in the Roshar planetary system. 

No I don’t have any evidence for this, why do you ask? 

[harel55]

5 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

It conceals the 10th Dawnshard which is the one Dawnshard that Odium hasn’t turned into an Unmade.  

Dawnshards being “planet Spren” one for each of the 10 planets in the Roshar planetary system. 

No I don’t have any evidence for this, why do you ask? 

I would love that if we'd heard any in-book reference to the 10 gas giants thus far. As far as we know, they don't have a strong enough presence in the collective Rosharan psyche to possess strong spren.

I still agree that at least one of the Dawnshards is a large-scale terraformer, possibly responsible for the deduction of Ashyn and the creation of the Shattered Plains, and is currently being kept on Akinah (hence the best security team possible and the rumors of Soulcasters being kept on the island)

[+Child of Hodor]

5 hours ago, harel55 said:

I would love that if we'd heard any in-book reference to the 10 gas giants thus far. As far as we know, they don't have a strong enough presence in the collective Rosharan psyche to possess strong spren.

I still agree that at least one of the Dawnshards is a large-scale terraformer, possibly responsible for the deduction of Ashyn and the creation of the Shattered Plains, and is currently being kept on Akinah (hence the best security team possible and the rumors of Soulcasters being kept on the island)

Agreed, the books state humans wrecked the surface of Ashyn and fractured the Shattered plains and even the most powerful radiant would have a tough time doing that on their own. Dawnshards must be something that allows for the use of power on a massive scale. 

 

On 9/12/2018 at 1:58 AM, earthexile said:

I think Aimia conceals fabrials on an epic scale. The kinds of fabrials you would need to, say, Soulcast a big chunk of Roshar into being Earthish instead. Or to flatten an entire region into a smooth, shallow basin. Or to shatter a plain in a symmetrical pattern. Or to make stone flow into massive constructs to create environments for humans, like Urithiru and the Windblades.

I think there is terraforming equipment. Which is why the consequences of it being found could be "the ends of worlds." 

All the others fit, Dawnshards being used to create the Dawncities and all that, but the creation of Shinovar is one where I think either Cultivation or Honor could have done it in literally 5 seconds. 

All the other examples are shaping or dividing stone on a grand scale, Shinovar would require the creation of Earth/Yolen-like soil which doesn't exist on Roshar at all, except in The Valley where Cultivation hangs out and she probably just created it there after her arrival. I'm sure humans brought some soil with them as they transported plants over, but not enough to create whole fields. Maybe the Singers and humans worked together to create more, but I think Cultivation could have just done it. 

The Singers took in the humans at the instruction of their gods, even if their gods are spren, the spren answered to C & H by that point so it was ultimately C & H's idea to take in the humans. The Shards would have been motivated to create a stable living environment and they had the power to do it easily. 

In Mistborn:

Spoiler

 

the Lord Ruler only held a shards power for a matter of seconds and he completely changed the planet's orbit, moved the magnetic north pole, flattened the Terris mountains, created ashmounds, modified plants to break down ash, modified humans into nobles and skaa, changed feruchemists into mistwraiths/kandra, created Koloss and inquisitors.

Then Sazed ascended and undid a lot of TLRs changes and created the Basin with it's super soil very quickly. 

 

 

[+Lefty Teft he/him]

I wonder if the strange storm surrounding Aimia could be produced from say a powerful soulcaster or other fabrial constantly at work.  We know that soulcasting displaces air in strange ways and Aimia is the source of all fabrial soulcasters. Pure speculation but I can't help thinking they're connected in some fashion.

[+Invocation]

7 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

the Lord Ruler only held a shards power for a matter of seconds and he completely changed the planet's orbit, moved the magnetic north pole, flattened the Terris mountains, created ashmounds, modified plants to break down ash, modified humans into nobles and skaa, changed feruchemists into mistwraiths/kandra, created Koloss and inquisitors.

Then Sazed ascended and undid a lot of TLRs changes and created the Basin with it's super soil very quickly. 

Some of the rapidity might have been the fact that the Shard(s) being used were solely responsible for the creation of Scadrial, and as such, permeated it, potentially generating the ability to make great changes more quickly and easily, with only a fraction of Preservation's power in the case of TLR. I do not know whether Adonalsium shaping Roshar would have the same effect with the rest of the Shards, since they didn't really exist at that point.