Juanaton he/him Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 I don’t have a physical copy of OB right now, only the audiobook, so this may not be as authoritative as I’d like, but I think here is more time between the destruction of a thunderclast and the murder of Jezrien. Ash and Taln are standing in line to take the Oathgate out of Thaylenah when Jezrien dies. Ash’s POV makes that clear. I THINK there was some mention about how much time had passed since the battle ended and it wasn’t a matter of minutes but at least the next day. I don’t believe Nightblood and the antiherald dagger are as similar as the theory proposes, BUT I don’t think the timeline argument is as convincing as it has been made out.
Weltall Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/8/2018 at 7:49 AM, Spoolofwhool said: I don't think Odium made the dagger. I'm fairly certain it was the Fused under his instruction. First of all, we've never seen a shard do anything like that. The only physical manipulation we've seen performed by the power of shards is the creation and rearrangement of Scadrial, and none of that involved the creation of physical matter, simply rearrangement of what was pre-existing, or the very slight things Ruin did where he affected written texts. Nothing on the scale of creating a highly complex invested object. Well, presumably the creation of the Honorblade qualifies as exactly this sort of thing... 15 hours ago, Juanaton said: Ash and Taln are standing in line to take the Oathgate out of Thaylenah when Jezrien dies. Ash’s POV makes that clear. I THINK there was some mention about how much time had passed since the battle ended and it wasn’t a matter of minutes but at least the next day. The scene with Ash and Taln happens on the same day as the battle. She thinks to herself that Taln had hidden and whimpered during the fighting today when nothing would have kept the old Taln from a fight. So the scene may not have happened within minutes of the battle ending but it was certainly no more than a few hours.
Spoolofwhool Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Weltall said: Well, presumably the creation of the Honorblade qualifies as exactly this sort of thing... True, good point. However, that did just involve a shard making their godmetal, which is the main case we know of investiture converting directly into physical matter, other than the gemhearts in greatshells. Not sure how well it can apply to a shard making a non-godmetal material, like the gem in the dagger, assuming even that the main metal of the dagger is a godmetal. On 8/8/2018 at 8:30 PM, Juanaton said: Ash and Taln are standing in line to take the Oathgate out of Thaylenah when Jezrien dies. Ash’s POV makes that clear. I THINK there was some mention about how much time had passed since the battle ended and it wasn’t a matter of minutes but at least the next day. I don’t believe Nightblood and the antiherald dagger are as similar as the theory proposes, BUT I don’t think the timeline argument is as convincing as it has been made out. I mean, how long do you think it would take to reverse-engineer a revolutionary new process, design a way to use it, then construct the dagger? Even if we assume that Odium did all the first two steps easily on the side, the actual construction of the dagger should've taken time. Like I said earlier, I don't think Odium just realmatically created the dagger from investiture, so the Fused would've had to have made it, which surely would've taken time.
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