I think I am here. he/him Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Was it completely random? Did it have to do with the vessels themselves, and their most dominant aspect? I don't think so. After all, Ati is noted to be kind pre-ascension. How about the shatterers emotions at the time of ascending? Maybe the shards stuck to what the vessels were feeling at that time? This could explain why people like Ati could still become evil despite being kind normally - an off day. Let's try to see the other shards: Skai - Perhaps the leader of the original Shatterers, and that's why he got Dominion. He was in a position of leadership at the time. Uli Da - Just imagine: Ultimate power. It's hard not to feel ambitious on what you could do with it. Tanavast - Maybe he swore he would use the power responsibly, so he got Honour. Leras - Maybe at the sight of so much power, he wanted to back down, maybe he thought it would change too much, so he got Preservation. Aona - Maybe was near a lover? Bavadin - Really hated Adonalsium, never wanted a chance of the Shards to come back together (Autonomy) What about others? I'd like to hear your opinions on this. 1
Nathrangking he/him Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Assuming this theory is accurate though currently we have no idea why the division happened in the way that it did we could look at the following: Edgli: Had a desire to use her power to give her power to others Odium: Felt nothing but hate for Adonalsium and thus received that aspect Culivation: wanted to allow the new world to grow and develop at the time of the shattering.
Weltall Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) The simple answer is 'We don't know' and we probably won't until Brandon writes Dragonsteel. What we do know is that the Intents were aspects of Adonalsium that were taken from him, that who got what Shard was not random and that it's plausible that there could have been different Intents but any questions about that are met with a RAFO. Quote Questioner I was just wondering if a Shard's intent can change over time without changing holders? Brandon Sanderson Without changing holders? The holder can have a slight effect on how the-- a big effect on how the intent is interpreted, but what the intent is stays the same. So it's gonna be filtered. The way it manifests can change, and you'll see that happening, but it is the same intent. When it was broken off, it took a certain thing with it. source Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Brandon said offhandedly, "It is not random who got which Shard." Also, Shards very rarely change hands. Brandon emphasized the "very" there. source Quote Eric If Adonalsium Shattered with intent, would he always Shatter with the same Shards? Brandon Sanderson It is plausible that it could've gone a different way. Eric So it could've been different Shards? Brandon Sanderson Yes, that's plausible. source Quote Paladin Brewer [PENDING REVIEW] Was it necessary that Adonalsium split into sixteen Shards, or was it happenstance? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] I will RAFO that one. Paladin Brewer [PENDING REVIEW] Would the number or intents have been different, if there were more or less people? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] That's all wrapped up in that RAFO. Let's say it's conceivable that the split could have happened in different ways. source Also, we know that Hoid was offered a Shard which was ultimately taken by someone else and it is not the Shard that he might be tempted by in the present day under the right circumstances. Quote Questioner Hoid was once offered a Shard, but he refused it, right? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner Was it right after the Shattering? Brandon Sanderson Yes. It was during the events. I wouldn't necessarily say "right after", it was during this process. I would say this is a RAFO before I finish writing at that time. (Not sure if I understood the last sentence right, but I think that's what he said) Questioner And who took this Shard instead? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. source Quote theofficetroll (paraphrased) If Hoid were tempted by a Shard, which one would it be? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Endowment. source Quote The Only Joe (paraphrased) Was Hoid offered one of the Shards we know about? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You know, I can't remember which Shards I've shown you, Wait, no I haven't shown you that one. source It's possible that the Shard which Hoid was offered is the same mystery Shard that Brandon would be tempted by. Quote Chaos [PENDING REVIEW] If you could take a Shard, what would be the one that you would want? If you were forced to take a Shard, you couldn't refuse? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] *Mmmmms for a time* Chaos [PENDING REVIEW] Feel free to name another one if you want to... Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] I've only got a few left that you guys don't know about. Chaos [PENDING REVIEW] There's six. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yeah okay. So I haven't said-- yhm. *laughter* I would take one that I haven't talked about, probably. But, of the ones I've talked about-- I don't know-- What one would be the most fun? Endowment would be pretty fun. Autonomy? No, probably not that much fun. A lot of them aren't very fun. Let's go with-- Chaos [PENDING REVIEW] You mean Autonomy isn't fun? Splitting into different aspects? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yeah, that is fun, I suppose. Yeah. *unenthusiastic* Yeah... source The way that Hoid could be offered a Shard of a specific Intent and refuse suggests that there's more to how Adonalsium was divided than the personalities of the sixteen Vessels. And we have Frost's implication that Rayse was in some way driven to take Odium by the others. Quote He bears the weight of God’s own divine hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context. He is what we made him to be, old friend. And that is what he, unfortunately, wished to become. Edited June 21, 2018 by Weltall 1
goody153 Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Interesting theory but also good to know that vessel picking isn't random Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Brandon said offhandedly, "It is not random who got which Shard." Also, Shards very rarely change hands. Brandon emphasized the "very" there. source Though this can also be read as the forces themselves when picking up somebody doesn't really take random people (so kinda like how the new Ruin holder has a very accepting view of the concept of change/death) Anyways about Ati being a "kind and generous person" i still think in his point of view he is still doing the right thing. He is still who he is but the Ruin's intent twisted his intent so hard that he believes that he is doing people a favor by their destruction and ending them. He's personality still the same at it's core just twisted by the concept of entropy where he no longer believes death/destruction is bad. Which brings us to Rayse who basically seems to choose who he is which probably means the Shard doesn't need to bend him much to his intent and they're both complimentary to each other(Shard and Vessel).
KalaDANG he/him Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 Yeah I don't know if they really had to qualify themselves to take up the shards. From what Brandon has told us, the original vessels actually helped take part in the shattering, and they weren't chosen based on how qualified they were. They definitely chose the shards they wanted though. It makes a lot of sense that way. Rayse, a horrible person, wanted Odium because he was just plain awful and a hateful shard must have sounded fun. Ati choosing Ruin is a little different because he was actually a solid and awesome dude. But it makes sense why he, as an awesome guy, would take up ruin, because he would have assumed that he would be taking it up and doing the opposite of what the shard's intent was. I don't think that they really understood the warping capability of Shardic Intent back then. But yeah, they all chose their shards.
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