MountainKing Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 So we know that truthwatchers did not write down what they did, and they could see what is. So what if the reason why they didn't write down their workings because they used their sight to make extremely accurate predictions, and others would see them as seeing the future like voidbringers. Note: It's four in the morning and I'm on my phone, but I wanted to post this idea.
Szmit Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Ivory said that Renarin "saw what is to come instead of what is" which makes him nor a real Truthwatcher, but someone of Odium, so probably no. However one of the "Truthwatchers" in archive said so see future, so mabye his condition was more common than we thought.
RShara she/her Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Sorry, I don't think so. If all Truthwatchers could see the future, then I'm sure that secret would have gotten out and been well known among the Radiants. In addition, the one TW we have a gemstone archive about, he couldn't tell the others that he could see the future, which implies that it's quite a secret.
MountainKing Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 Quote So I was trying to say that Truthwatchers' ability to see what is allows them to predict the future with extreme accuracy
KalaDANG he/him Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 I've been confused for a while trying to find out if the ancient Truthwatchers even had the ability to see the future. As far as we know, the Truthwatchers only had access to the surges of Progression and Illumination. The lack of any information about them makes it difficult. It's even said in the books that the Order of the Truthwatchers was difficult to understand, and very secretive. "Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation; and in the case of Corberon's disagreements, their silence was not a sign of exceeding abundance of disdain, but rather an exceeding abundance of tact." It's definitely possible that they were so secretive because they didn't want their knowledge of the future to be widely known. But as of right now in the series, there isn't really any conclusive evidence proving that the ancient Truthwatchers had the ability to glimpse the future. The closest I've been able to find is where in Dalinar's first vision, one of the Radiants tells him "speaking of what is to come is forbidden". Obviously, if there wasn't anyone opposed to Odium with that ability, they wouldn't have any reason to make a rule against it. That's all there is that I've been able to find that points to the ancient Truthwatchers being able to do it. Unless Brandon has said something that I haven't been able to find, or I just missed something in the books. If that's the case, let me know so I can stop being confused. But no REAL evidence that I've been able to find in the books proves it. The only example or evidence we have of Truthwatcher future sight comes from observing Renarin. But he technically isn't a true Truthwatcher due to Glys's corruption. It's possible that his ability to predict the future is only possible because of Glys being corrupted, since seeing the future is technically, like Ivory says, "Of HIM" or a power of Odium. But if the Truthwatchers did have access to that power, I don't think they had full control of it. Renarin doesn't seem to be able to see the future at will, it seems to hit him in flashes, like during the battle of Thaylen City when he saw that Teft and bridge four would be coming through the oathgate. When he does have visions, they don't seem to be too far in the future. The most advance we have seen from one of Renarin's visions is when he predicts the everstorm and gives a 60 or some odd day countdown. If the ancient Truthwatchers WERE able to see the future, the reason they might have not written it down and been so secretive is possible due to them knowing that speaking of what is to come is forbidden, but they also knew that their future sight could be an asset in the fight against Odium. So they might have chosen to try to use their knowledge of the future to guide the orders to victories without letting them know that they were using the future to do it. It's hard to judge with such a limited knowledge of their order, aside from a corrupted member.
MountainKing Posted June 6, 2018 Author Posted June 6, 2018 I saying that Truthwatchers ability to see things from a distance(not a confirmed power) and ability to see objects in the spiritual realm, they can use that information to predict the future with extreme accuracy.
Weltall Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, KalaDANG said: But as of right now in the series, there isn't really any conclusive evidence proving that the ancient Truthwatchers had the ability to glimpse the future. The only example or evidence we have of Truthwatcher future sight comes from observing Renarin. But he technically isn't a true Truthwatcher due to Glys's corruption. It's possible that his ability to predict the future is only possible because of Glys being corrupted, since seeing the future is technically, like Ivory says, "Of HIM" or a power of Odium. Exactly. We have evidence from the Gem Archive that the Truthwatchers of the past did not see the future, because the one who made the recording who did see the future says that the others can't know that he/she foresaw whatever event they were speaking of. And Ivory makes it very clear that he expects Truthwatchers to only have the power to see the present ('what is') and what Renarin does is wrong.
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