"[OB] [Elantris Spoilers] Telrii in Roshar?"

[Thunderclast]

I was re-reading Elantris after finishing Oathbringer for the tenth time, and I remembered that in the memory of Tanalan the younger, Dalinar dismisses a older bald man with a birthmark stretching across half of his face. Elantris describes Telrii as having a giant purple birthmark that stretches across the left side of his face. I think it's too much of a coincidence to be chance. I think that Telrii may be trying to get into power on this new planet, where no one knows of his previous failure.

Well, except for Gallodon (Temoo/Grump {See interludes from WoK}) I think it would be interesting to see them meet, especially with the Radiants witnessing it.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Thunderclast

[Khyrindor he/him]

Telrii would have to be immortal in this case, as Elantris is at least a Millenia before Way of Kings. Galladon is an Elantrian, but Telrii wasn't. Not saying it's impossible, but unlikely. And I can't remember Telrii's fate in Elantris, so no comment there.

[Thunderclast]

You raise some good points, but it's possible that what happened to Kelsier may have occurred in a similar fashion, or he may have even been Elantrian. Kiin was able to hide his son's status until the end of the book.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Thunderclast

[Llarimar he/him]

It definitely seems possible, just because "a birthmark stretching across half his face" is a pretty distinctive marker. 

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However, if I remember, wasn't Telrii beheaded in Elantris?  Or if he wasn't beheaded, he was killed in a pretty definitive way.  The only way I can imagine him still being alive is if it wasn't actually him who died there, but a decoy.

Also @Thunderclast, you might want to change the title of this tread to "[OB] [Elantris Spoilers] Telrii in Roshar?" or something like that, just because some people who have read Oathbringer probably haven't read Elantris.   

[Thunderclast]

Thank you, you are completely correct

[Thunderclast]

I don't know how to do that i'm new help

[RShara she/her]

Click the Edit link at the bottom of your original post, and change the title from there.

 

Telrii died during the events of Elantris, and as stated, it was probably something like a thousand years ago, and Telrii had no indications of being Elantrian.

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Time froze as Hrathen saw the king through the melee, burning strips of cloth dripping from the brocades above. Telrii’s eyes were wild with fear as he dashed toward the open door at the back of the room. Eondel’s sword found Telrii’s neck before the king had taken more than a few steps.

Telrii’s headless corpse fell at Count Eondel’s feet. The count regarded it with grim eyes, then collapsed himself, holding a wound in his side.

 

 

[Gray to he/him]

But it can't be a coincidence that these 2 characters both have giant distinctive birthmarks on their face. Maybe they're related?

[Leyrann]

1 hour ago, Gray to said:

But it can't be a coincidence that these 2 characters both have giant distinctive birthmarks on their face. Maybe they're related?

Actually, I would argue, it can very well be a coincidence. How many named characters does Brandon have? Hundreds? A thousand? Surely there'll be some coincidences among them.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

I doubt the man is Telrii, unless Telrii had a decoy who died in his place and became Elantrian after the book was over. That is pretty far-fetched though, especially considering that Telrii was a minor villain. 

The birthmark guy is interesting though. He might be important without being Telrii. A Ghostblood maybe?

[Thunderclast]

I can't remember if the book said he was bald, but that would be a good way to hide the Reod, by pretending to have gone bald prematurely.

It's also possible that he had a spy or Seon (not his own, if he had one, of course) watch Raoden discover the Chasm line problem, and, having studied the Aons himself after he transformed, was able to send a decoy around while he pulled the strings. Then, when Elantris was restored he could have fled to Roshar, or even been recruited by the Ghostbloods, as Mraize states that they care not for personal morals or allegiances, as long as they stay loyal, after all, having an Elantrian in your group would be very advantageous.

[KalaDANG he/him]

I'm kind of skeptical as to whether or not Telrii worldhopped before he died. I don't really know how he would have access to either Devotion or Dominion's perpendicularities on Sel. One of them being on the mountain with the pool, and the other probably being somewhere in Fjordell based on the fact that they can access the Dor to create the crazy monks with pewter level durability and strength and the ability to use Aons. I think it's definitely in the realm of possibility though. Brandon has a history of using physical characteristics, mannerisms, and ways of speech to tip us off to worldhoppers in the past, for example, when we see Demoux, Galladon, and Baon at the Purelake searching for Wit in TWoK. When asked in Q&A's, Brandon has stated that it's important to watch for similarities or matching names across the cosmere, because they usually aren't coincidences. That's why there's such debate with (White Sands Vol 2 Spoiler)

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Who Trell is because in White Sands Volume 2 there is a character named Trell on Taldain who interacts with the main character.

 Brandon deliberately sometimes gives us more information on certain characters to let us know that there's something different about the character. So I can agree with the idea of Telrii being a worldhopper and traveling to Roshar. But I don't think that it really works. Telrii as a character doesn't really seem smart or interested in anything beyond food and spending his riches. (That he actually inherited from his older brother rather than through any work from himself.) He's an incredibly lazy character. Basically at the same laziness level as Sebarial. Probably worse. I just don't think he would have the ingenuity required to find the shardpool on the mountain (He is incredibly overweight), discover it's use, somehow discover how to travel to Roshar through the cognitive realm, and then find his way BACK down the Horneater mountains to then go to Kholinar to talk to Dalinar and try to get gain. Likewise, I don't think he ever went to Fjordell and tried to seek out the possible shardpool there. It doesn't really fit with his character. Remember, at this point in their history where Telrii is, the people of Sel aren't very Cosmere aware. The Pre-Shaod Elantrians have been WoB'd as Cosmere aware, but they had all been killed or hoed, so he couldn't have discovered it from them. So, all in all, technically based on how everything has worked so far, the idea could work, but I seriously doubt it based on who Telrii is as a character.

 

Edited June 12, 2018 by KalaDANG
Got rid of the spoiler tags for Elantris spoilers.

[Tador]

in all fairness to the objections based on that he'd be 1000 or so years old Felt and Demoux are both about 300, and god only knows how old Baon is given white sand is IIRC chronologically the first book in the cosmere (also Khriss is just as old) 

I mean he is dead, so probs not, I'm just saying that all the world hoppers are really old when you think about (I believe Brandon likes to invoke time dilation into explaining this somehow) 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

10 hours ago, KalaDANG said:

The Pre-Shaod Elantrians have been WoB'd as Cosmere aware, but they had all been killed or hoed, so he couldn't have discovered it from them.

In all fairness, Telrii could have learned it from them before they died or got mad.

[KalaDANG he/him]

7 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

In all fairness, Telrii could have learned it from them before they died or got mad.

That's fair I guess. Like I said, it's technically possible, but based on who Telrii is as a character, I don't think it's really likely. But yeah, you have a point.

 

[RShara she/her]

Even if he were an Elantrian, cutting off the head would kill him. And it was during the time when Elantris was still bugged, so he wouldn't have been able to be a functioning Elantrian.