Bobobagins Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 So this might be a silly question but whatever happened to danlan she was still officially courting Adolin by the end of wok but up and disappeared in wor....? 1
Windrunner he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Did you read WoR all the way through? She's definitely present. She and Adolin broke up, and she's a part of Graves' plan to assassinate Elhokar. 3
Shardbearer he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I knew she was trouble almost immediately.
The Count he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 SO she was part of The Diagram, presumably (unless Graves was just using local moles spies). If that is the case, she REALLY messed up with whatever she did to make Adolin split up with her. She would have been in an idea place to keep Kaladin away from Dalinar as per Mr. T's instruction if she was still in the inner circle of Camp Kholin.
Argent he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I doubt even the Diagram can be that specific. It's possible that it instructed Taravangian to send or buy a mole in the camps, but being insanely brilliant doesn't mean you get to automatically known everybody on first name basis. He likely had some specific instructions for Graves and then had to leave it up to him to figure out how to execute them. 1
The Count he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Confirmation: Doesn't 'The Diagram' refer both to the organisation as well as the text? If not my mistake. I meant Mr. T's organisation rather than his masterpiece specifically. 1
shadewolf Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I don't think Danlan is apart of the diagram. Graves mentions that he's working with the patriots of althekar on his own time rather than under direct orders from T and the diagram, which makes me think that the patriots and the followers of the diagram are two separate societies.
Argent he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 It's not explicit whether "the Diagram" can refer to its followers as well as the actual collection of knowledge. It could be read both ways in places.
Shards of Mist he/him Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Graves and Moash talking at the end made it seem like assassinating the King was completely separate from the Diagram. Graves was only instructed to keep Kaladin away from Dalinar. He just so happened to decide to use the king's assassination as the way to do so. It brings up an interesting conundrum. The members of the Diagram are free to pursue their own interests when not "called up" for a task. Yet the Diagram is basically an outline of how to bring Mr. T to ultimate power. Why is it then ok for one of the members' side interests to be assassinating the King of a nation. It seems a move that important could have ramifications that affect the Diagram's plans. I expect we'll see more insight into this when Mr. T learns of Graves' actions. 1
Scott Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Graves and Moash talking at the end made it seem like assassinating the King was completely separate from the Diagram. Graves was only instructed to keep Kaladin away from Dalinar. He just so happened to decide to use the king's assassination as the way to do so. It brings up an interesting conundrum. The members of the Diagram are free to pursue their own interests when not "called up" for a task. Yet the Diagram is basically an outline of how to bring Mr. T to ultimate power. Why is it then ok for one of the members' side interests to be assassinating the King of a nation. It seems a move that important could have ramifications that affect the Diagram's plans. I expect we'll see more insight into this when Mr. T learns of Graves' actions. The ultimate goal of the Diagram is that Taravangian becomes King. Of Everything. ( ) Its hard to do that without Elhokar dead. Edited March 12, 2014 by Scott
Sphinx Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 The ultimate goal of the Diagram is that Taravangian becomes King. Of Everything. ( ) Its hard to do that without Elhokar dead. Graves's stated patriotic goal is to kill Elhokar so that Dalinar will take his place. Dalinar becoming king of the Alethi seems to run explicitly counter to the Diagram's aims. Either: 1. He is lying in order to get support for a Diagram-backed plot to kill Elhokar. 2. He is trying to kill Elhokar for the Diagram, and doesn't know about the Diagram's intention to kill Dalinar. 3. He is one of the agents that the Diagram recalls, and is genuinely telling the truth about pursuing his own agenda until he is activated. Personally, I'm far more inclined to believe that 3 is correct in this particular case given the consistency of Graves's actions, and his close relationship with his various allies.
FlatLine Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Graves's stated patriotic goal is to kill Elhokar so that Dalinar will take his place. Dalinar becoming king of the Alethi seems to run explicitly counter to the Diagram's aims. Either: 1. He is lying in order to get support for a Diagram-backed plot to kill Elhokar. 2. He is trying to kill Elhokar for the Diagram, and doesn't know about the Diagram's intention to kill Dalinar. 3. He is one of the agents that the Diagram recalls, and is genuinely telling the truth about pursuing his own agenda until he is activated. Personally, I'm far more inclined to believe that 3 is correct in this particular case given the consistency of Graves's actions, and his close relationship with his various allies. Didn't he say that the diagram said that Dalinar could become an great ally, but if he didn't then he was to kill him? 1
HydrogenAlpha he/him Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) There are a lot more secret societies than just the Diagram-guys. They could have been a part of the Sons of Honor or even the Ghostboods.I think we can safely eliminate the possibility of membership at the skybreakers or envisagers. Edited March 15, 2014 by HydrogenAlpha
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