Moogle Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I’m not certain yet how the ten levels of Voidbinding or its cousin the Old Magic fit into this paradigm, if indeed they can. My research suggests that, indeed, there should be another series of abilities that is even more esoteric than the Voidbindings. Perhaps the Old Magic fits into those, though I am beginning to suspect that it is something entirely different. From the Ars Arcanum, we have speculation from the author that there is another magic system set up on Roshar. We know (sort of) that the Old Magic is direct intervention through sprengod or else Cultivation, and so it doesn't count as a system. This leaves us with... Surgebinding (+fabrials) Voidbinding (+fabrials) A Third System (+fabrials?) Surgebinding is obviously a mix of Honor and Cultivation. Voidbinding is likely Odium, plus (maybe?) Cultivation. The third system is then... a mix of Honor, Odium, and Cultivation? Or perhaps just Cultivation alone? The fact that the author's rearch "suggests" these exist, but could not find them, likely means he's using Realmatics to determine things. I think our Intent Meshing theory for determining the number of magic systems on a planet might be correct, and it suggests that there could be a third system (composed of all three Shards). This is very speculative, but does anyone remember seeing anyone do things they should not have been able to in the books? The focus of Roshar appears to be spren, so we should probably look for spren composed of all three Shards to find out what these "esoteric abilities" are. I'm thinking it could plausibly be something similar to Surgebinding, but instead of the Immortal Words, you cultivate vigilante justice or something. I'm grasping at straws. We have this WoB: ragsYou have told us there are more than 30 magical systems on Roshar. I am assuming there are 10 surgebindings and 10 voidbindings. Do the next 10 belong to another such classification? If yes, can you give us the name for it. Brandon Sanderson Fabrials are part of it. (source) Before, I thought this just meant that the ten Surgebinding fabrials counted as a third way to access the Surges, but I'm not sure anymore. Why would this be "esoteric", according to the author of the Ars Arcanum? He's (she's?) seen magic systems everywhere else. This doesn't seem as esoteric as Sel's systems, for example. The WoB isn't very useful because fabrials are just a "part" of it. Does anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneKEA Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Which magic system powers Shallan's Memory ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baine he/him Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Sprenbinding? Trapping Spren is how fabrials work, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numb Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Which magic system powers Shallan's Memory ability? It seems to be a trait of Lightweavers. In one of the paragraphs about Lightweavers their incredible memory is mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoeus Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Shallan's memory ability is a result of her being a Lightweaver, don't have the exact quote but it's said in, I believe a WOR book epigraph, that Lightweaver's often have unusual artistic/memory powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Releaser Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) 10 Surges 10 Essences 10 Passion 10 Fools 10 Unmade 10 Heralds 10 Kingdoms 10 Body focus 10 Soulcasting properties 10 Gemstones 10 Divin Atributes (x2) What else? Edited March 11, 2014 by Releaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Sprenbinding? Trapping Spren is how fabrials work, right? Yes. However, the Ars Arcanum author is aware of how fabrials work. Why would he mention esoteric abilities he had no idea on when he had previously mentioned fabrials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Releaser Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 We have this WoB: Before, I thought this just meant that the ten Surgebinding fabrials counted as a third way to access the Surges, but I'm not sure anymore. Why would this be "esoteric", according to the author of the Ars Arcanum? He's (she's?) seen magic systems everywhere else. This doesn't seem as esoteric as Sel's systems, for example. We've seen a regrowth fabrial, and a Soulcaster (transformation fabrial) maybe we will see 10 fabrials that will match the powers of the knights radiant. So non-surgebinders can fight the Desolation's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 We've seen a regrowth fabrial, and a Soulcaster (transformation fabrial) maybe we will see 10 fabrials that will match the powers of the knights radiant. So non-surgebinders can fight the Desolation's as well. We know that fabrials can replicate all of the Surges as per WoB. This isn't esoteric however. Soulcasters (Transformation fabrials) are known by everyone on Roshar. The Ars Arcanum author undoubtedly knows about fabrials used to Surgebind, as well as regular fabrials. Surgebinding fabrials cannot be what the author is referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Maybe there is a reference to something common in all the Cosmere - Hemalurgy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Thinking on it, the only "esoteric" ability I can find in the novels is the Soulcasting ardents. Their skin has changed to something stone-like, and their eyes sparkle like gems. Nalan and the Radiant using Regrowth fabrials did not change in this way. This makes me think that you can go a step further with fabrials, and perhaps 'spike' yourself with them or bond them so strongly that it physically changes you. The relationship to Hemalurgy (with altered bodies) is there. But then, that might just be them becoming Stormlight savants or something. Or perhaps using a fabrial means they are unprotected from its effects like a Radiant. Radiants have Stormlight, which heals them as they do dangerous things. Using a Soulcaster without holding Stormlight might harm you. It seems doubtful that this is an entirely new set of abilities, though. Still, I think it fits the 'esoteric' description: prolonged usage of a fabrial physically changes you and grants you strange abilities. I'd like to see what prolonged usage of different fabrials does. Edited March 11, 2014 by Moogle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baine he/him Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Well, It doesn't have to be just fabrials. I was thinking maybe other, unknown things can be done with trapped spren. Like the Listeners' forms! Wait, could that be the 3rd system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispsy he/him Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) 10 Surges 10 Essences 10 Passion 10 Fools 10 Unmade 10 Heralds 10 Kingdoms 10 Body focus 10 Soulcasting properties 10 Gemstones 10 Divin Atributes (x2) What else? Actually you may think of removing the last one...as you have 11 there! Edited March 13, 2014 by Wispsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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