Calderis he/him Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, AIAndy said: The highstorms are that old, but are we sure that the Stormfather is? It is quite a large spren and I wonder if the investiture levels were high enough at that point. Make of this what you will, Quote Narkac Where does the Stormlight in highstorms come from? Is there like a "rain cycle", but for the Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson The Stormlight in the highstorm is transferred from the Spiritual realm through the Stormfather into the highstorm. source I personally think that the Stormfather was changed. Eshonai's narrative in WoR told us that the listeners remembered a time when the rider of storms was closer to them, and later betrayed them for the humans... I think that the rider of storms, what the Stormfather originally was, was a creation of Adonalsium to provide the stormlight necessary for the unique ecology of Roshar. I think the Stormfather became a Splinter of Honor after the arrival of the shards, and is the way in which honor changed Stormlight. Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There was a point when the Heralds didn't need to draw Stormlight from gems, although the Stormlight-in-gems predates Honor's arrival. There was a following conversation about this topic, about how a lot of the elements were there before Honor arrived, but he co-opted them. So, Stormlight were there, but there are big differences now. Footnote: Unspecified question by Pagerunner.source
RShara she/her Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) The Listener Song of War talks about it. So it had to be before the Listeners broke off and ran from the parsh, which was around the time of the Recreance. Quote They blame our people For the loss of that land. The city that once covered it Did range the eastern strand. The power made known in the tomes of our clan Our gods were not who shattered these plains. —From the Listener Song of Wars, 55th stanza Here's a bit more on the highstorms and investiture. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Has stormwater tasted metallic always? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Even pre-Shattering? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Even pre-Shattering it would get a metallic taste, that's the crem. So. That is an indication of Investiture and things. But it was there-- it was in place first, before. source I'm trying to find the WoB you're referring to, but I haven't been able to. Do you have it handy? Also, voluntarily breaking a bond is different than having it broken, I feel. So giving up something shouldn't cause an uncontrollable release of energy. Every type of bond we've seen so far can be broken voluntarily with very little destructive effect. Edited February 23, 2018 by RShara
Magpro Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Dawnshards were used to destroy Tranquiline Halls (Ashyn). This is stated by Stormfather in Chapter 113. Edited February 23, 2018 by FahadWajid
AIAndy Posted February 23, 2018 Author Posted February 23, 2018 12 hours ago, RShara said: I'm trying to find the WoB you're referring to, but I haven't been able to. Do you have it handy? Spoiler Argent Can a Returned like Lightsong go to Roshar and form a bond with a spren? Brandon Sanderson Investiture interferes with other Investiture. Argent And they have a lot of it. Brandon Sanderson And they have a lot of it. That is not-- It's not completely-- For instance you can Push on Invested metal, but it's hard. There's a resistance, the more Invested the harder-- So a bond for instance-- forming a bond-- It's, yeah-- It can be done-- I mean Sazed took two of the powers up, right? But I kind of imagine what he did as a nuclear reaction. Where breaking an atom is hard, unless you are in the middle of a sun. And he was in the middle of the sun. At that point-- Argent There was a lot of stuff going on around him that facilitated. Brandon Sanderson Yes, definitely. But when you've got that much power you'll-- In other words if there is a lot of power going around, these things become easier. Argent So, possible but difficult is-- Brandon Sanderson Yes. source 12 hours ago, Calderis said: I personally think that the Stormfather was changed. Eshonai's narrative in WoR told us that the listeners remembered a time when the rider of storms was closer to them, and later betrayed them for the humans... I think that the rider of storms, what the Stormfather originally was, was a creation of Adonalsium to provide the stormlight necessary for the unique ecology of Roshar. I think the Stormfather became a Splinter of Honor after the arrival of the shards, and is the way in which honor changed Stormlight. That does indeed point at the Stormfather being that old and not only the Highstorms. Merging and resplitting would be a reason for a personality change but I wonder what that would do to the Highstorm. 12 hours ago, RShara said: The Listener Song of War talks about it. So it had to be before the Listeners broke off and ran from the parsh, which was around the time of the Recreance. Yes, definitely earlier than that but it might have been considerably earlier as in during the last desolation.
RShara she/her Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, AIAndy said: Hide contents Argent Can a Returned like Lightsong go to Roshar and form a bond with a spren? Brandon Sanderson Investiture interferes with other Investiture. Argent And they have a lot of it. Brandon Sanderson And they have a lot of it. That is not-- It's not completely-- For instance you can Push on Invested metal, but it's hard. There's a resistance, the more Invested the harder-- So a bond for instance-- forming a bond-- It's, yeah-- It can be done-- I mean Sazed took two of the powers up, right? But I kind of imagine what he did as a nuclear reaction. Where breaking an atom is hard, unless you are in the middle of a sun. And he was in the middle of the sun. At that point-- Argent There was a lot of stuff going on around him that facilitated. Brandon Sanderson Yes, definitely. But when you've got that much power you'll-- In other words if there is a lot of power going around, these things become easier. Argent So, possible but difficult is-- Brandon Sanderson Yes. source That does indeed point at the Stormfather being that old and not only the Highstorms. Merging and resplitting would be a reason for a personality change but I wonder what that would do to the Highstorm. Yes, definitely earlier than that but it might have been considerably earlier as in during the last desolation. Right, but that WoB refers to two entire Shards interacting. I really don't think the Dawnshards would have that much power. Yeah definitely earlier than the Recreance, possibly much much earlier. That's one of the reasons why I don't think those events would have anything to do with unbonding a Dawnshard.
AIAndy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Posted February 25, 2018 On 23.2.2018 at 6:06 PM, RShara said: Right, but that WoB refers to two entire Shards interacting. I really don't think the Dawnshards would have that much power. Maybe the large one contained nearly an entire Divine Attribute of a shard, so a tenth of the investiture. Ripping it out of the shard might have caused the cataclysm on Ashyn then. It might have been part of Odium's plan to get rid of his Compassion, becoming Hatred instead of Passion.
RShara she/her Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, AIAndy said: Maybe the large one contained nearly an entire Divine Attribute of a shard, so a tenth of the investiture. Ripping it out of the shard might have caused the cataclysm on Ashyn then. It might have been part of Odium's plan to get rid of his Compassion, becoming Hatred instead of Passion. Hmmm I guess it's possible. I just find it unlikely. Also Aona/Devotion is Compassion/Love, so Odium wouldn't have had a significant amount of that in the first place.
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