Hsien99 Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Is Hoid really the one true god supreme etc and Adonalsium is more like his proxy on this plane of existence? Hoid would be god and Adonalsium would be more like Jesus something similar? It reminds me of DC comics where you have Hoid who is like the Presence and Adonalsium in more like the source.
RShara she/her Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Hoid is afraid of Odium, so I doubt he's all powerful. Quote Kythis Is there anything Hoid was scared of? And if so, is it still around, and regardless, was it a person... Brandon Sanderson There are many things that Hoid is scared of. He is really scared of Odium, but there are others. source Edited February 4, 2018 by RShara
Calderis he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 No. Hoid was a mortal once. He was offered the power of a Shard and declined. He is powerful, and seemingly immortal, but there's a reason he chooses to remain out of view of Rayse. A Shard could tear him apart, and with their power, it would probably be one of the few ways he could actually die.
Hsien99 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Calderis said: No. Hoid was a mortal once. He was offered the power of a Shard and declined. He is powerful, and seemingly immortal, but there's a reason he chooses to remain out of view of Rayse. A Shard could tear him apart, and with their power, it would probably be one of the few ways he could actually die. Hoid predates Adonalsium being split though which does anyone know when that took place 250,000-100,000-50,000-20,000 years ago? If so what is the secret to his immortality might he be one of the people that tried and failed to split Adonalsium up before the other sixteen succeeded, but managed to get just enough investiture to make him immortal with a few perks like world hopping etc.
Calderis he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Hsien99 said: Hoid predates Adonalsium being split though which does anyone know when that took place 250,000-100,000-50,000-20,000 years ago? If so what is the secret to his immortality might he be one of the people that tried and failed to split Adonalsium up before the other sixteen succeeded, but managed to get just enough investiture to make him immortal with a few perks like world hopping etc. We don't have a solid timeline, but between 10k and 20k. I'm guessing 16k, because Cosmere. We know he has pre-shattering magics in addition to a few he's gained since... And people who tried and failed? What? 1
Hsien99 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Calderis said: We don't have a solid timeline, but between 10k and 20k. I'm guessing 16k, because Cosmere. We know he has pre-shattering magics in addition to a few he's gained since... And people who tried and failed? What? I read that before Adonalsium was shattered by the sixteen there was a previous attempt to do so years before which ended in failure, so was Hoid maybe one of the ones who tried to shatter him and failed but managed to steal a little tiny bit of his power giving him immortality.
Calderis he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 The only thing I am aware of that hints at what your describing is this. Quote imriel452 Tell me something about the cosmere that has not been previously mentioned. Brandon Sanderson Long ago there was a plot to destroy Adonalsium. It failed. source As far as I'm aware, that is still referring to the shattering. Adonalsium was broken apart, and it's power taken up by the 16. In my belief at least though, Adonalsium was investiture, and investiture cannot be destroyed. 1
Thanatos Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Not to go off track but... Hoid has the scepter from Emporers Soul. And it converts investiture... Hoid in a highstorm.... with the scepter.... All powers even the ones we dont know of!!! OP Hoid!! Edit.. Dalinars three realm clap!!! OP Hoid just went to infinity!! Edited February 4, 2018 by Thanatos
Hsien99 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Calderis said: We don't have a solid timeline, but between 10k and 20k. I'm guessing 16k, because Cosmere. We know he has pre-shattering magics in addition to a few he's gained since... And people who tried and failed? What? Am guessing around 16,000-20,000 thousand. If you factor in the last desolation happened 4,500 years ago which was the last and therefore 9 desolation’s happened before. Some happened within ten years of each other but others happened where civilization crumbled and people forgot how to make iron and steel, read and write plus Odium came apparently quite a bit after Honor and Cultivation. Then you factor in making the spren an how diversified they are plus humans weren’t native to Roshar and we know they came before the desolations even started at least a thousand or two before the first one started.
Calderis he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Thanatos said: Not to go off track but... Hoid has the scepter from Emporers Soul. And it converts investiture... Hoid in a highstorm.... with the scepter.... All powers even the ones we dont know of!!! OP Hoid!! The moon Scepter only works as a translation key for the different language forms on Sel. Quote Questioner How exactly is the Moon Scepter linked to the Dor? Brandon Sanderson The Moon Scepter is...I suppose I can canonize this, now. Okay you’re getting one out of me. So the big thing about the Moon Scepter that it was...it is a Rosetta stone for the Selian magics. Meaning it translates them from one to another, and what the different symbols mean, does that make sense. source 1
Hsien99 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Calderis said: The only thing I am aware of that hints at what your describing is this. As far as I'm aware, that is still referring to the shattering. Adonalsium was broken apart, and it's power taken up by the 16. In my belief at least though, Adonalsium was investiture, and investiture cannot be destroyed. Yeah that’s what I was referring to, it seemed to imply some people tried and failed an then several years later some people had learned from there mistake and suceeded. Investiture cannot be destroyed only changed like energy you can’t destroy it only changes heat and kinetic energy etc.
RShara she/her Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) According to Brandon, the time between the Shattering and the Prelude to the WoK where the Heralds broke the Oathpact was 6000 years. WoK takes place 4500 (Rosharan) years later. So we're at about 10,900-11,000 in the Cosmere timeline. Quote leftinspace Can you tell me how long it was from the Shattering of Adonalsium to the prelude of The Way of Kings when the Heralds abandoned the Oathpact? Brandon Sanderson Current timeline, which I have NOT canonized, is around 6,000 years... I have not finished with my outline document yet. source There are people on Yolen who were functionally immortal before the Shattering took place. Frost is one of them, and I believe he is older than Hoid, even. And he does not have a Shard. All of the Vessels, of course, pre-date the Shattering. Wit implies that he's around the same age as Cultivation, anyway. Quote William Anderson Who is the oldest character we know? Brandon Sanderson Frost is almost certainly the oldest by a small amount. After that, Hoid. source We don't have any proof that Hoid has any amount of power like you're speculating. He does not hold a Shard, and several beings in the Cosmere, Odium included, could rip him apart. He is crafty and old, and could have gained immortality any number of ways, but given that he has things he fears, there's no way he's more powerful than Adonalsium. Quote Wit smiled. “I am but a man, Dalinar, so much as I wish it were not true at times. I am no Radiant. And while I am your friend, please understand that our goals do not completely align. You must not trust yourself with me. If I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I need, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen.” Dalinar frowned. “I will do what I can to help,” Wit said, “and for that reason, I must go. I cannot risk too much, because if he finds me, then I become nothing—a soul shredded and broken into pieces that cannot be reassembled. What I do here is more dangerous than you could ever know.” He turned to go. “Wit,” Dalinar called. “Yes?” “If who finds you?” “The one you fight, Dalinar Kholin. The father of hatred.” Wit saluted, then jogged off. The WoB about a plot to shatter Adonalsium doesn't really say much at all. You can guess any number of things from it, it doesn't mean any of them are true or even inferred via the published works that we have. Edited February 4, 2018 by RShara
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