FollowYourMuse she/her Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 The Bondsmiths have Pressure (Adhesion) and Tension, not Gravity. They have Adhesion, not Gravity. The only two orders with Gravity are Windrunners and Skybreakers. Thanks all I had it reversed in my notes !
11thorderknight Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 I have a theory that the first Ideal that they all share - Life before death, etc - can potentially be spoken by anyone, and if they truly live that ideal, they will get basic stormlight use that all orders share, but without access to any of the surges. maybe that's what makes a squire - someone who has committed to the first ideal and the Radiants as a whole, but who hasn't yet found their specific order and bonded a specific spren. 1
Macen he/him Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 Didn't Taravangian and his coherts make comments about the bridgemen and how they were a breeding ground for radiants? The main requirement for a radiant is that they have a soul with cracks in it. Running a bridge would be a perfect experience to create those cracks. Lopen being a radiant would be AWESOME. 2
Veil she/her Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 Could be Lopen's spren is just keeping his/her distance. Either because Lopen isn't broken enough yet (like how Syl watched Kaladin in the army but didn't start talking to him until after Amaram's betrayal--until Kaladin had the blackbane leaves, in fact.) Or because Lopen isn't admitting his brokenness (a la Shallan suppressing her Surgebinding and her bond with Pattern for YEARS). Or for some other reason. We know very little about Lopen, and very little about most Orders of Knights Radiant, like what would attract a particular type of spren to a potential Radiant. And remember, Shallan used stormlight to Soulcast without having a substantial bond with Pattern. (Could be the lingering effects of her younger years, when the bond was strong enough for Shallan to summon Pattern as a Shardblade, but the fact still remains that Pattern was dumb and not noticeably present while Shallan was Soulcasting.) If Shallan or Kaladin had known to try taking in Stormlight before they were aware of their spren, it's entirely possible they would have succeeded, if only with a lot of persistence.
lookingglass she/her Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Ok I think I missed the squire thing entirely. I've not started my WoR re-read so I'm not sure where we see that bit. Can someone please tell me where we see the squires in the books and what they are? The bit in the book about the windrunners hierarchy just made me think that you gained more power if you said more ideals.
Aleksiel Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Ok I think I missed the squire thing entirely. I've not started my WoR re-read so I'm not sure where we see that bit. Can someone please tell me where we see the squires in the books and what they are? The bit in the book about the windrunners hierarchy just made me think that you gained more power if you said more ideals. Here: There came also sixteen of the order of Windrunners, and with them a considerable number of squires, and finding in that place the Skybreakers dividing the innocent from the guilty, there ensued a great debate. And in Dalinar's first vision there are men with hammers who follow one Radiant and glow faintly; though it wasn't a Windrunner, so perhaps other Orders too have some equivalent of squires. Also, after the epic battle between Kal and Szeth: “Kal,” Teft said, voice getting even softer. “At the end there, right before you arrived . . . Storms, son, I swear I saw a couple of the lads glowing. Faintly, with Stormlight.” 2
Hrafngar Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Alright, while a Lopen/Jasnah combo would be fun. I am waiting on my Lopen/Lift team up. That is so the two people that I want doing everything together. They need to travel the world together, collecting all of the cousins, and stealing everybody's food! You would not be able to defeat the Lopen/Lift team-up!
BearsLikeMe Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) I personally think he will be a willshaper. It seems that the names of the orders have something to do with what they are. Lopen not only conceincly got stormlight, but he forced himself to do it. Ever since he found out Kaladin could he has been trying. I think his extreme willpower to look on the bright side in bad situations and also willed himself to take in stormlight, it forced a spree to bond with him. But what wouldn't want to bond the Lopen? Edited April 26, 2014 by BearsLikeMe 1
MKSentinel he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Wouldn't Lopen and Wit exchanging insults be a spectacle to watch? 1
Sunbringer he/him Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Best thing ever: Lopen, Lift, Wayne and Lightsong all get together. The best and most sarcastic characters ever! Also, what words do you guys know that Lopen is the only one that uses them.
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