Devout Pathian Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I was rereading the Way of Kings and I noticed this on page 421 where Dalinar is thinking of how Adolin changes who he courts so often: Quote He’d spent three years courting the woman who’d eventually become his wife. Even if he couldn’t remeber her face, he did remember how persistently he’d pursued her. Okay, so to me this seems to contradit the story we get of Evi and Dalinar in Oathbringer. Evi and her brother come for protection and Dalinar becomes betrothed to Evi for political reasons. The feeling I got in Oathbringer was that Dalinar didn’t pursue Evi at all even when they “courted.” Is this just a mistake Sanderson made? Or is there a way to explain the differences? (Sanderson can make mistakes; he is still better than most authors.) Also on a completely different note, Moash’s eye color changes. In book one he has dark green eyes, but after he gets the shardblade in book two his eyes change to tan. Shouldn’t they just change to light green if his eyes were dark green before? I don’t know afterall Kaladin’s eyes are brown, but then he has blue eyes after summoning the Sylblade. But isn’t the blue a windrunner thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourth Of The Night Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Aurora the Rioter said: Also on a completely different note, Moash’s eye color changes. In book one he has dark green eyes, but after he gets the shardblade in book two his eyes change to tan. Shouldn’t they just change to light green if his eyes were dark green before? I don’t know afterall Kaladin’s eyes are brown, but then he has blue eyes after summoning the Sylblade. But isn’t the blue a windrunner thing? It's possible that the color change is related to the type of Spren the Blade Moash bonded is, same as Kaladin's eye color change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, Fourth Of The Night said: It's possible that the color change is related to the type of Spren the Blade Moash bonded is, same as Kaladin's eye color change. Maybe, that would be intresting. I keep wondering what type of spren each sword is. I particularly want to know Oathbringer and Maya (although I think she is one of Cultivation’s.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aurora the Rioter said: I was rereading the Way of Kings and I noticed this on page 421 where Dalinar is thinking of how Adolin changes who he courts so often: Okay, so to me this seems to contradit the story we get of Evi and Dalinar in Oathbringer. Evi and her brother come for protection and Dalinar becomes betrothed to Evi for political reasons. The feeling I got in Oathbringer was that Dalinar didn’t pursue Evi at all even when they “courted.” Is this just a mistake Sanderson made? Or is there a way to explain the differences? (Sanderson can make mistakes; he is still better than most authors.) Also on a completely different note, Moash’s eye color changes. In book one he has dark green eyes, but after he gets the shardblade in book two his eyes change to tan. Shouldn’t they just change to light green if his eyes were dark green before? I don’t know afterall Kaladin’s eyes are brown, but then he has blue eyes after summoning the Sylblade. But isn’t the blue a windrunner thing? "Courted" could mean a couple of things. Courted the political connection, courted the alliance, courted the possibility of Shardplate. It doesn't need to mean romantically courted. However, Evi does seem quite fond of Dalinar when we see her, so there must have been SOME romance involved. Quote I particularly want to know Oathbringer and Maya (although I think she is one of Cultivation’s.) Yes, Maya is a cultivationspren, same as Wyndle, and would have been bonded to an Edgedancer. Edited December 28, 2017 by RShara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourth Of The Night Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, Aurora the Rioter said: Maybe, that would be intresting. I keep wondering what type of spren each sword is. I particularly want to know Oathbringer and Maya (although I think she is one of Cultivation’s.) We actually have a WoB that Maya is a Cultivationspren! From Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) Quote Kaladin al'Thor I noticed my last time reading Words of Radiance that there were several times-- vines that were on Adolin's shardblade as he summoned it. So I was wondering if maybe the Radiant who used it had was an Edgedancer? Brandon Sanderson You are right. -Snip- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, RShara said: "Courted" could mean a couple of things. Courted the political connection, courted the alliance, courted the possibility of Shardplate. It doesn't need to mean romantically courted. However, Evi does seem quite fond of Dalinar when we see her, so there must have been SOME romance involved. I think you are right that there was some romance, but the quote says that Dalinar “persistently” pursued Evi for three years. The word persistently doesn’t fit for the story in Oathbringer even if he “courted” her (with all the ways you mentioned) for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalbusker he/him Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 What I got from the flashbacks was that Gavilar and Dalinar wanted access to Evi's shards, and Evi and her brother wanted protection from the people who thought they weren't the rightful owners of same. The "courting" period was mostly about convincing them that marrying into House Kholin was the best way to guarantee their safety. Which is why killing an assassin and taking a walk in a highstorm was considered a net plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomdrinker she/her Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I think Dalinar assumes he courted her for 3 years based on his broken memories, he also assumes that he loved his wife but that was wrong. So it could simply be that Dalinar himself is wrong when he says he courted her for 3 years 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Doomdrinker said: I think Dalinar assumes he courted her for 3 years based on his broken memories, he also assumes that he loved his wife but that was wrong. So it could simply be that Dalinar himself is wrong when he says he courted her for 3 years You have a point about Dalinar’s broken memories. However, I disagree that Dalinar never loved Evi. He didn’t love her when they got married, but I think he did learn to love her. He tried to find a peaceful way at the Rift, before he was betrayed, because she wanted him to. It’s a different type of love from the tradidtional type, but still love. I also think that now with how Dalinar has changed Evi and Dalinar would be perfect for one another. I love Evi much more than Navani, although I do like her and Dalinar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aurora the Rioter said: Also on a completely different note, Moash’s eye color changes. In book one he has dark green eyes, but after he gets the shardblade in book two his eyes change to tan. Shouldn’t they just change to light green if his eyes were dark green before? I don’t know afterall Kaladin’s eyes are brown, but then he has blue eyes after summoning the Sylblade. But isn’t the blue a windrunner thing? I can't find the quote, but I believe it was mentioned that Moash's eye color in the first book was incorrectly listed as dark green. He has dark tan eyes. The common Shardblade (i.e. dead spren Shardblade) only lightens the eyes, so his eyes should be a light tan in color from the bonding (also unknown if they reverted after he broke the bond). EDIT: Found the quote. It's on Moash's Coppermind page, with a separate source of WoR Typos thread. A live Shardblade seems to lighten and change the color of the eye to match the order (maybe, as Kaladin's are the only ones I can think of that are even mentioned), similar to how the shardplate will eventually glow with that same color. Edited December 28, 2017 by Govir Found sources 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Moash's eyes were changed, just like Elhokar's, but the eye color change from a Shardblade is tied to the order of the spren. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/128/#e3255 Quote Darkness (paraphrased) When a darkeyed person obtains a Shardblade. Does their new eye color reflect the specific type of blade they bonded? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, Calderis said: Moash's eyes were changed, just like Elhokar's Is this referring to the fact that the eye color was given as one thing, then changed later (not because of a Shardblade)? And then the second part... 28 minutes ago, Calderis said: but the eye color change from a Shardblade is tied to the order of the spren. ...is just a general statement that the order of the blade does matter for when Darkeyes bond a Shardblade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song she/her Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Aurora the Rioter said: You have a point about Dalinar’s broken memories. However, I disagree that Dalinar never loved Evi. He didn’t love her when they got married, but I think he did learn to love her. He tried to find a peaceful way at the Rift, before he was betrayed, because she wanted him to. It’s a different type of love from the tradidtional type, but still love. I also think that now with how Dalinar has changed Evi and Dalinar would be perfect for one another. I love Evi much more than Navani, although I do like her and Dalinar. It is heart-breaking to think of how proud Evi would be of Dalinar now. I think they loved each other, but there relationship was messed up. Both were miserable because they both felt the other wished them to be different. Evi hated that Dalinar killed and was so affected by the thrill, and Dalinar kept wanting Evi to fit in with his culture. So they both spend the marriage feeling like a failure, wishing they could please their partner but assuming they were never succeding. Evi tried so hard. Dalinar would have remembered the fact that he had courted her for three years, but not the details. It is not a surprise that he assumed he courted out of love. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 On topic about the courting period, from the flashbacks we know that Dalinar met Evi 31 years ago (Chapter 19). This is when he agreed to marry her (at least to the Alethi). The next flashback (Chapter 26) takes place 29 years ago (so could be between 1-2 years depending on when during the year it happened), and it is stated that they are still betrothed (due to Evi's culture with long betrothals). The next flashback (Chapter 36) takes place 24 years ago (so another 5ish years), and at this point they are married and Evi is pregnant. So nothing concrete in saying that they were courting for 3 years, but nothing that contradicts it either. I think Dalinar is remembering correctly that from point of meeting to actual marriage was three years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Govir said: On topic about the courting period, from the flashbacks we know that Dalinar met Evi 31 years ago (Chapter 19). This is when he agreed to marry her (at least to the Alethi). The next flashback (Chapter 26) takes place 29 years ago (so could be between 1-2 years depending on when during the year it happened), and it is stated that they are still betrothed (due to Evi's culture with long betrothals). The next flashback (Chapter 36) takes place 24 years ago (so another 5ish years), and at this point they are married and Evi is pregnant. So nothing concrete in saying that they were courting for 3 years, but nothing that contradicts it either. I think Dalinar is remembering correctly that from point of meeting to actual marriage was three years. Thanks, this helps. I guess I assumed it was shorter than it was. I tried to pay attention to the amount of years inbetween flashbacks, but I was mostly focused on reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Govir said: Is this referring to the fact that the eye color was given as one thing, then changed later (not because of a Shardblade)? And then the second part... ...is just a general statement that the order of the blade does matter for when Darkeyes bond a Shardblade? Yes to both. Moash's original Canon eye color was changed. Regardless, the eye color after bonding a blade is based on the order of the blade bonded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Aurora the Rioter said: Thanks, this helps. I guess I assumed it was shorter than it was. I tried to pay attention to the amount of years inbetween flashbacks, but I was mostly focused on reading. I never pay attention either. I used the Coppermind Oathbringer Summary to quickly search for flashback chapters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyBlu she/her Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Yes to both. Moash's original Canon eye color was changed. Regardless, the eye color after bonding a blade is based on the order of the blade bonded. So that does that mean in the first editions of Way of Kings, Moash’s eye color was green and now in the latest printed edition it is now brown? (Which lightens to tan?) Edited December 28, 2017 by JoyBlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devout Pathian Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Govir said: I never pay attention either. I used the Coppermind Oathbringer Summary to quickly search for flashback chapters. Sweet, thanks I’ll use that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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