Kurkistan he/him Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 @Binnut Yeah, that's one of those things where pesky "new information" overturns current beliefs. That signing was a grand total of 1 day after my post. ;\
MistWit he/him Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Interesting theory would really like it if someone could ask Brandon If squires are just knight what haven't said all their oths yet because that's what I always assumed.
signspace13 he/him Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 Interesting theory would really like it if someone could ask Brandon If squires are just knight what haven't said all their oths yet because that's what I always assumed. I think there is a WoB where he talks about squires and how they relate tovthe orders, such as some not having any, so I find it unlikely that they are just proto KR's 3
Swimmingly he/him Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 I accidently downvoted signspace while scrolling, anyone care to fix my mistake? Thanks!
Binnut he/him Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 @Binnut Yeah, that's one of those things where pesky "new information" overturns current beliefs. That signing was a grand total of 1 day after my post. ;\ Oh, bad timing then =(
aheerema he/him Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 You should look for squires in the first book too. (And I'm not talking about the prelude.) Any indications that Yalb could be a Squire of Shallan's? He certainly has the wit for it, and is a very convincing liar... As a counter though, if squires are dependent on spren, Shallan's bond was almost gone during most of her association with Yalb in the earlier part of the book. 1
Tombstone0 Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Do we have WoB that indicates that squires don't have spren? I'm not sure that they do but I do think that it's a possibility. We haven't seen any indication that the guys from bridge 4 have spren but when Syl first started following Kaladin around, and he first started using stormlight, there was also very little if any indication that he had a spren. It's been indicated that many of the spren have been hesitant to return and bond with humans because of the recreance but I think they might have overcome that. I think that because of the night that Syl freaked out before the attack by Szeth. I assume she freaked out because Odium has returned and I would imagine that the other spren know it too. I think that would scare them all and that it would be enough to force them to cross over and bond with humans again. I think that the difference in numbers of squires between the Radiant Orders are due to the number of spren, so there would be many honor spren and therefore many Windrunner squires but few Bondsmith spren and therefore, most of the time, no Bondsmith squires. Historically squires are knights in training and up until the end of WoR Kaladin would've been a squire. A squire without a knight to train him, unless you count Syl, but still a squire. Also, about flying: "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." 3
Moogle Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) Do we have WoB that indicates that squires don't have spren? I'm not sure that they do but I do think that it's a possibility. We haven't seen any indication that the guys from bridge 4 have spren but when Syl first started following Kaladin around, and he first started using stormlight, there was also very little if any indication that he had a spren. The Stormfather is preventing honorspren from leaving Shadesmar. What kind of spren are you proposing bond with the squires? It's an interesting idea. I think that the difference in numbers of squires between the Radiant Orders are due to the number of spren, so there would be many honor spren and therefore many Windrunner squires but few Bondsmith spren and therefore, most of the time, no Bondsmith squires. Honorspren are 'discerning' according to Nohadon and they sound very picky about the people they choose. I think if this were true that Windrunners would have significantly less squires than most other orders, since it sounds like there were relatively few Windrunners. Edited May 16, 2014 by Moogle
Tombstone0 Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 The Stormfather is preventing honorspren from leaving Shadesmar. What kind of spren are you proposing bond with the squires? It's an interesting idea. Honorspren are 'discerning' according to Nohadon and they sound very picky about the people they choose. I think if this were true that Windrunners would have significantly less squires than most other orders, since it sounds like there were relatively few Windrunners. I was proposing that more honorspren defied the stormfather and bonded with humans like Syl did. Though, we might have heard about that towards the end of WoR, if that actually happened. You're right about them being more discerning, but I'm arguing that the number of honorspren is greater than most, and therefore there would be more Windrunners (provided they can find suitable people to bond with). Of course, we don't know that much about the other orders yet, just that there are very few bondsmith spren.
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