christhechro Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I'm Chris, and started reading Sanderson and the Cosmere only a few years back on the fantastic recommendation from a bunch of my friends. It was one of the greatest recommendations I have ever received. I am currently catching up on Stomlight, so I can read Oathbringer before it gets spoiled! After fully caught up with everything Sanderson has written so far, I am looking forward to immersing myself in whatever crazy theories all of you have out there about the Cosmere. I'm down for it!!! I'm super pumped to be a part of this community now! Blackwatch Double Stomp for all... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serce Forts Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Welcome to the Shard! We're pumped to have you too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Welcome to the 17th shard!! Whats your favorite magic system you've seen so far? Also take and reputation point and a cookie as a welcoming gift. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christhechro Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Although I love allomancy since I started with Mistborn, Surgebinding has to be the most mysterious. There's a lot known about allomancy and not much about Surgebinding so I guess that's why I find it so cool 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Actually that's the reason why I love Allomancy and the metallic arts. We know a lot about them so we can extrapolate and theorize with a solid foundation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutantspicy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, christhechro said: Although I love allomancy since I started with Mistborn, Surgebinding has to be the most mysterious. There's a lot known about allomancy and not much about Surgebinding so I guess that's why I find it so cool Welcome! I'm new here too. But I wanted to ask do we really know allomancy. Afterall we just found out there's an entire other half of the world whose investiture has similarities is based more on the metals themselves rather than the human interaction, making them more technological by default. Similar to what goes on on Sel, different parts of the planet do investiture differently based on location, Culture and maybe which shard is dominant. I don't know whats actually happening, I'm really curious about book 4 of Wax and Wayne. I'm really curious if harmony will split, and what will change as result. The creation of Harmony seemingly overtime changed allomancy to where no mistborns or full on ferochemists are around, thats the effect of balance. No overpowered investiture in either direction. To me we feel like we know allomancy better, simply because we have more history with it, but it very well maybe ready to flip upside down again, damnit Trell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sorry for the long post, and if it comes off as offensive, that is not my intention. In my opinion, we really know a lot about how allomancy works compared to the other systems. 1 hour ago, Mutantspicy said: Afterall we just found out there's an entire other half of the world whose investiture has similarities is based more on the metals themselves rather than the human interaction Its not so much that magic works differently based on where you are, its that certain groups had more knowledge then others. The southern scadrians medallions were always possible, it's just feruchemy applied in a way that we hadn't known before. As opposed to Sel where different Magic doesn't actually function in different parts of the land, Elantris spoilers: Spoiler I.e. an elantrian can't make nearly as strong aons in fjorden as he could in elantris. Allomancy and feruchemy both work worldwide on scadrial, just one group had more knowledge then the other. TLR was repressing knowledge of the allomatic metals which is the reason that his society couldn't make unkeyed metalminds, like the medallions. 52 minutes ago, Mutantspicy said: The creation of Harmony seemingly overtime changed allomancy to where no mistborns or full on ferochemists are around There is a theory on the shard that this wasn't caused by the formation of harmony but rather the intermingling of Allomatic and Feruchemic genes. In Mistborn era 1 we see that the power of Allomancy has become diluted due to the mixing of genes. The theory states that having Allomatic genes obstruct the Feruchemic genes, prohibiting the existence of a naturally occurring fullborn, or full feruchemists, resulting in the mistings, ferrings and twinborn that we see in Wax and Wayne. As I said in my previous post, we know most of the basics about how all of the Metallic art's work, so we can theorize on higher conceptsm, such as how they interact with one another, or the various undiscovered uses of the powers. compared to the Stormlight archive where we don't even know what some of the knights radiant surges do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutantspicy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Ookla the Capricious said: Sorry for the long post, and if it comes off as offensive, that is not my intention. In my opinion, we really know a lot about how allomancy works compared to the other systems. Its not so much that magic works differently based on where you are, its that certain groups had more knowledge then others. The southern scadrians medallions were always possible, it's just feruchemy applied in a way that we hadn't known before. As opposed to Sel where different Magic doesn't actually function in different parts of the land, Elantris spoilers: Reveal hidden contents I.e. an elantrian can't make nearly as strong aons in fjorden as he could in elantris. Allomancy and feruchemy both work worldwide on scadrial, just one group had more knowledge then the other. TLR was repressing knowledge of the allomatic metals which is the reason that his society couldn't make unkeyed metalminds, like the medallions. There is a theory on the shard that this wasn't caused by the formation of harmony but rather the intermingling of Allomatic and Feruchemic genes. In Mistborn era 1 we see that the power of Allomancy has become diluted due to the mixing of genes. The theory states that having Allomatic genes obstruct the Feruchemic genes, prohibiting the existence of a naturally occurring fullborn, or full feruchemists, resulting in the mistings, ferrings and twinborn that we see in Wax and Wayne. As I said in my previous post, we know most of the basics about how all of the Metallic art's work, so we can theorize on higher conceptsm, such as how they interact with one another, or the various undiscovered uses of the powers. compared to the Stormlight archive where we don't even know what some of the knights radiant surges do. Well you are right in the way that allomancy and feruchemy work planet wide. So the magic isn't limited geographically like Sel. But the magic is different geographically As you say suppression of information on one hand, but also geological separations. Ettmetal is foreign to the north and the South do not have lerasium or at least know about it. There is also the suggestion in ars acanum of 32 potential alloys from the south we haven't learned about yet. But your right Allowmancy, feruchemy, and hemalurgy allow for tons of speculation and high concepts for the metals we do know about especially when you add the technological advances of the south. Its a physicists dream. it just seems to me a door to all sorts of new possibilities has been opened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 39 minutes ago, Mutantspicy said: So the magic isn't limited geographically like Sel. But the magic is different geographically As you say suppression of information on one hand, but also geological separations. How is the magic differently geographically? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutantspicy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ookla the Capricious said: How is the magic differently geographically? For one because of geological separation there are no mistings or feruchemists in the south. And 2 we have zero understanding of how a non feruchemist can use a medallion. We don't understand the nature of the excisor is it a new metal or alloy within the device or is the device power by something else from another planet in the cosmere. It is suggested also there are a bunch of unknown metals in the south which will all have different types investiture. That said in the future once trade routes become established this can all change. However, as it stands currently the northerners cannot imbue objects with magic that can be used by anyone, and southerners cannot invest magic in themselves. It is said the Lord ruler kept investure from the southerners as a control for his experiment. I'm agreeing with you. Magic isn't limited by geography, but it just happens to be at moment by design from the Lord Ruler. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Ok, that Makes a lot more sense. At the beginning I thought that you were implying that the differences in Magic were due to the geography, not geographic isolation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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