alercah Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 How were the singers able to activate the Kholinar Oathgate and use that to attack Urithiru? Shouldn't the corrupted spren make that fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 T's group opened the oathgate for the Singers, and the corrupted spren work for Odium. They aren't going to destroy his forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 This is a little bit of a necro, but I just finished my re-read, and I’m still confused by this. How did Malata et al get to Kholinar so quickly? It would make more sense to me if they used the Kharbranth oathgate to get to Urithiru, but would they be able to get a bunch of singers into the city without drawing the attention of the local people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomdrinker Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Shallan unlocked the oathgate at Kholinar so it only needed to be activated from urithiru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doomdrinker said: Shallan unlocked the oathgate at Kholinar so it only needed to be activated from urithiru. I don’t know if I agree with that. I thought maybe the same thing, but surely after the Urithiru contingent got the message about Kholinar falling Jasnah or someone with the Jezrien’s honorblade would have tried to get to Kholinar just to see. Plus, doesn’t it mention in part five that Taravangian and his crew get on boats and sail back to Kharbranth just before the battle? I’m assuming that Malata is with him when they leave Thaylen City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryder said: I don’t know if I agree with that. I thought maybe the same thing, but surely after the Urithiru contingent got the message about Kholinar falling Jasnah or someone with the Jezrien’s honorblade would have tried to get to Kholinar just to see. Plus, doesn’t it mention in part five that Taravangian and his crew get on boats and sail back to Kharbranth just before the battle? I’m assuming that Malata is with him when they leave Thaylen City. Nah. Taravangian rides off in a palanquin at the end of Part 4, and isn't mentioned again till after the battle. He gave the Azish permission to use his boats, but he wasn't on them himself. During the battle, Teft says he told them to help fly wounded from the triage stations to the Oathgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I was really confused by this. Even if you could argue that Shallan opened it on the Kholinar side, how did Mr T communicate with the forces in Kholinar to let them know that his Radiant would open the way for them at the right time in the battle so the corrupt spren could let them through? Did span reeds work by then? Who did they know to pass on the message? I am sure there are answers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Open the Oathgate, go through, say, Hey, wanna ride? And come back. Or yeah, use a spanreed, deliberately attract the Fused, and tell them to be waiting. Edited January 1, 2018 by RShara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, RShara said: Open the Oathgate, go through, say, Hey, wanna ride? And come back. Or yeah, use a spanreed, deliberately attract the Fused, and tell them to be waiting. But why would the gate be operable at that point? It wasn't when Kholinar was being ransacked. Spanreed is more likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomdrinker Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Song said: But why would the gate be operable at that point? It wasn't when Kholinar was being ransacked. Spanreed is more likely When T and odium meet near the end odium mentions that T wrote a letter to him so I assume that contains t asking the fused to attack urithiru and telling them he would help. Also the oathgate at Kholinar was corrupted and being directly controlled in order to kill Kal, Shallan and Adolin. So far as we know a corrupted oathgate can function completely normally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melovespie Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I think the real question is, if Sja-Anat is actually not evil now, why did she/he not just let the Oathgate function normally for Shallan and Co? I assumed that it was incapable of operating normally, but obviously it was. Maybe it would have been obvious that Sja-Anat defected if they were immediately transferred to Urithiru, but Odium didn't seem to know that they were in Shadesmar until they were in Celebrant. It does seem odd to me though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Melovespie said: I think the real question is, if Sja-Anat is actually not evil now, why did she/he not just let the Oathgate function normally for Shallan and Co? I assumed that it was incapable of operating normally, but obviously it was. Maybe it would have been obvious that Sja-Anat defected if they were immediately transferred to Urithiru, but Odium didn't seem to know that they were in Shadesmar until they were in Celebrant. It does seem odd to me though. Actually the Fused were already searching for them but I assume Odium would notice if Sja-Anat defected in a too explicit way and tracking the Oathgate's function is something into his possibility. In this way Sja-Anat could simply say she was unable to find them once they arrived in Shadesmar, her corrupted spren did what they were supposed to do (they would be able to betray her if Odium start to make the right questions) but something unexpected happened after 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Yata said: Actually the Fused were already searching for them but I assume Odium would notice if Sja-Anat defected in a too explicit way and tracking the Oathgate's function is something into his possibility. In this way Sja-Anat could simply say she was unable to find them once they arrived in Shadesmar, her corrupted spren did what they were supposed to do (they would be able to betray her if Odium start to make the right questions) but something unexpected happened after In addition while Sja-Anat may have defected it's not clear if all the spren she corrupts have done so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 23 hours ago, Melovespie said: I think the real question is, if Sja-Anat is actually not evil now, why did she/he not just let the Oathgate function normally for Shallan and Co? I assumed that it was incapable of operating normally, but obviously it was. Maybe it would have been obvious that Sja-Anat defected if they were immediately transferred to Urithiru, but Odium didn't seem to know that they were in Shadesmar until they were in Celebrant. It does seem odd to me though. I thought that Odium forced Sja-anat to corrupt the Spren and once the Spren was corrupted Sja-anat couldn't reverse it. So instead she forced the Oathgate to transport them to Shadesmare as opposed to whatever Odium wanted it to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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