Dragonangel Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 "He closed his eyes, kneading and humming his mother's song to a beat he could almost, barely, just faintly hear." Could this mean that at some point, either the Horneaters mixed with the parshendi, way back when, and gained some access to the rhythms? Or does Rock's ability to see all spren help him understand the listener's songs?
CelliCellos Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 The Horneaters being part listener makes sense because they seem to be made of tougher stuff than ordinary humans.
A Dopey Spren he/him Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dragonangel said: "He closed his eyes, kneading and humming his mother's song to a beat he could almost, barely, just faintly hear." Could this mean that at some point, either the Horneaters mixed with the parshendi, way back when, and gained some access to the rhythms? Or does Rock's ability to see all spren help him understand the listener's songs? That's actually an interesting theory! Also Horneater's height and red hair could derive from the Parshendi...? Just theoretical of course!
Blacksmithki Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 There is a WoB on this, the Horneaters are in fact part Parshendi, so are the herzdanians. i'm on mobile so I don't know how to quote it, but go to arcanum and you can probably find it by looking up Parshendi + Horneaters or something
Draigon Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/188-general-reddit-2015/#e3922 Quote HorseCannon I didn't realize horneaters had parshmen blood, didn't even realize that was possible. How closely are humans and parshmen related, do they have a common ancestor? Or is one an artificially created version of the other? Brandon Sanderson There was intermixing long ago. Horneaters and Herdazians are both a result. (Signs of this are the stone carapace on Herdazian fingernails and the Horneater extra jaw pieces--in the back of the mouth--for breaking shells.) Humans and parshmen don't have a common ancestor. And as a side note, both of these strains of humanoids predate the ascension of Honor, Cultivation, and Odium.
CelliCellos Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 If Shallan gets her red hair from Horneater ancestors the she to is some part listener
Blacksmithki Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Fun fact: this makes Humans and Listeners the same species.
SilverTiger she/her Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Blacksmithki said: Fun fact: this makes Humans and Listeners the same species. Not quite. It does mean that are both hominids, likely of the same genus, but not the same species. Therefore, I propose the scientific name Homo audiere for Listeners (humans are Homo sapiens). P.S. I wrote a more exensive thread on why Listeners are closely related to humans here: Edited December 5, 2017 by SilverTiger 3
Aminar Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 43 minutes ago, Blacksmithki said: Fun fact: this makes Humans and Listeners the same species. Yes and No. It means we need a better word for Humans that aren't Listeners. Because Listeners are also Human.
kmosiman Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 It's probably more of a Mule, Zorse, and Liger type of deal. The 2 species can cross breed, but the hybrid offspring is usually infertile. The rare hybrids that were fertile would be the ancestors of the Herdazians and the Horneaters. Given the setting, I would assume that some magic was involved to make this happen; possibly some sort of Spren bond.
SilverTiger she/her Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, kmosiman said: It's probably more of a Mule, Zorse, and Liger type of deal. The 2 species can cross breed, but the hybrid offspring is usually infertile. The rare hybrids that were fertile would be the ancestors of the Herdazians and the Horneaters. Given the setting, I would assume that some magic was involved to make this happen; possibly some sort of Spren bond. Actually, Ligers are fertile hybrids, because lions and tigers are very close on the evolutionary family tree. They are of the same genus (Panther leo and Panthera tigris) ad have the same number of chromosomes. I believe that humans and Listeners have the same situation. I suspect that either Adonalsium or the natural Investiture/spren caused a kind of accelerated evolution that turned ancient humans (or maybe Neanderthals) into Listeners, who can form spren bonds (and therefore change forms), have extra jaws pieces for cracking shells, and other adaptations that make Listeners more suitable for the Rosharan environment. A similar thing may be happening with the Rhyshadium, in fact.
RShara she/her Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, SilverTiger said: Not quite. It does mean that are both hominids, likely of the same genus, but not the same species. Therefore, I propose the scientific name Homo audiere for Listeners (humans are Homo sapiens). P.S. I wrote a more exensive thread on why Listeners are closely related to humans here: That's a great read. Yeah, humans and Parshendi are definitely closely enough related to interbreed, but are *not* the same species. Similar to how Homo Sapiensand Homo Neaderthalensis interbred.
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