Housedunn Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 So I brought this up in another thread but I wanted to make one of my own. Minor spoilers for Oathbringer So Kaladin is immune to the Thrill and in oathbringer, it is show that not all Knights Radiants are immune to it even when they are using stormlight. Does anyone have a good guess why and to expand on it, do you think that Kaladin could be immune to any other mental manipulation by Investature, like Nightblood's influence or Rioting or Soothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Evendale Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I think (just guessing here) that you have to be 'open' to Odium to be influenced by the Thrill. You have to feel passion, you have to want to kill. That's why Sadeas's soldiers were so easily corrupted -- Odium said so himself: there was already hatred in their hearts, they were receptive to the Thrill. I think Kaladin is tied too strongly to Honor -- he fights because he believes it's right, not for the pleasure of killing. Remember too that Syl said that she'd been with him since his days in Amaram's army, meaning that even back then, he was already linked to Honor. We see that Dalinar increasingly starts to reject the Thrill (during the wrestling match in OB, for example), showing us that most of the time, it's something that you can accept or reject, depending on your state of mind. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I believe the only reason for Dalinar to be exposed to the Thrill is for his past history. He is so Connected with Nergaul to be able to feel the Thrill regardless of Honor's influence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMetroid Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 A couple of theories. The first and I think most likely is the desire to kill. Kaladin when he kills he does it to protect people without exception that I can think of, maybe the only exception is when he goes and kills the lighteyes at the beginning of the first book. Most people that have the thrill are agressing or have some end goal which usually involves killing the end goal. Even Szeth who is killing tons of people to get to someone to kill doesnt show signs of the thrill and I think that is because he doesnt have the desire to. The next somewhat weaker theory I think is that because Kaladin saves lives it has less or no effect on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 We have a WoB that it reduces the effect of things like the Thrill. Not that they are immune to it. Quote theblackthorne Given their reputation for docility and Szeth's internal monologues, am I right in thinking that the Shin do not feel The Thrill? If so, is this due to the protection of Cultivation or sheer distance from Nergaoul? Brandon Sanderson Distance is the big factor here, though there are cultural reasons for things as well. In addition, being very close to something tied to Honor reduces the effects of things like the Thrill. As for the Shin culture, you'll find a great deal in the next three books, so I'd rather not say much now. It seems like another Investiture resists Investiture situation, but with Connection thrown in to screw with things. As Evendale points out, Kaladin has been connected to Syl for a while, so his experience of the Thrill has mostly been the weakened version. In addition, Kaladin hasn't been a soldier for that long, so he's gonna have less connection with the Thrill than Dalinar, a career Warlord for decades. I also like the idea of opening yourself to it, since it fits with other things we've seen. Quote Questioner A dullform listener is indoors when the Everstorm passes over, will they be transformed into a Voidform? Brandon Sanderson No. It depends on the strength of the boundary between them, but it is possible for them-- And also being transformed, taking new forms is-- There is a measure of will behind it, meaning-- For instance, even when Eshonai took the new form, she had herself open to taking a new form. By the time she didn't want to, it was too late. But she had made the decision, even though she'd been kind of misled in some ways. If a parshmen were in-- even in the Everstorm, and aggressively didn't want this to happen, I'm not saying it won't, but I'm saying there is room for discussion of whether or not they would change there. But also one who does want to, and is-- there's only a little pane of glass and things like that, then-- Yeah. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housedunn Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Good ideas now does anyone have any thoughts about Kal resisting soothing and rioting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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