Full Feruchemist Misting/Full Mistborn Ferring

[Podman]

Don't know if this is already common knowledge or whatever, so here goes nothing:

We know that in Allomancy and Feruchemy, getting powers are an all or nothing thing. You're a misting or Mistborn, a ferring or Keeper (what's the proper term for full Feruchemist?). My question is this: is it possible to be a Mistborn and a ferring, or a Keeper and a misting? Thanks.

[Shqueeves]

Theoretically, yes. This occurring, however, is probably nigh impossible.   This is because being a Twinborn is incredibly unlikely and being a Mistborn or full feruchemist are nigh impossible means that this combo is probably only a little more likely than being a Fullborn

[Unlicensed Hemalurgist]

While both these possibilities are pretty unlikely to occur naturally, creating a Misborn Ferring or a Misting Keeper is trivially easy if you include Hemalurgy in the solution. Just have a Mistborn spike themselves with one Feruchemical power, or have a Keeper spike themselves with one Allomantic power, and presto!

[Podman]

1 hour ago, Shqueeves said:

Theoretically, yes. This occurring, however, is probably nigh impossible.   This is because being a Twinborn is incredibly unlikely and being a Mistborn or full feruchemist are nigh impossible means that this combo is probably only a little more likely than being a Fullborn

Neat. Theoretically possible is all I needed. I wasn't clear, though. I was thinking more of this happening during Era 1. And on the other thing I was asking was if there is a proper (or widely accepted) term for a full feruchemist other than "Keeper". 

[CaptainRyan]

1 hour ago, podman36 said:

the other thing I was asking was if there is a proper (or widely accepted) term for a full feruchemist other than "Keeper". 

The term is "Feruchemist". Feruchemist is to Mistborn as Ferring is to Misting.

A Keeper is, as they were described in era 1, a Feruchemist who also had copies of all of the knowledge of the Terrispeople and specialized in one type of knowledge. E.g. Sazed was a Feruchemist who had all of the knowledge of the Terrispeople and specialized in religions. 

[King Cole]

2 hours ago, Shqueeves said:

Theoretically, yes. This occurring, however, is probably nigh impossible.   This is because being a Twinborn is incredibly unlikely and being a Mistborn or full feruchemist are nigh impossible means that this combo is probably only a little more likely than being a Fullborn

It is way way more likely than being a Fullborn

[Podman]

Just now, CaptainRyan said:

The term is "Feruchemist". Feruchemist is to Mistborn as Ferring is to Misting.

A Keeper is, as they were described in era 1, a Feruchemist who also had copies of all of the knowledge of the Terrispeople and specialized in one type of knowledge. E.g. Sazed was a Feruchemist who had all of the knowledge of the Terrispeople and specialized in religions. 

I don't think so. A ferring is a feruchemist but a misting isn't a Mistborn. The word "feruchemist" is just used to describe one who uses/can use Feruchemy.

[CaptainRyan]

1 hour ago, podman36 said:

I don't think so. A ferring is a feruchemist but a misting isn't a Mistborn. The word "feruchemist" is just used to describe one who uses/can use Feruchemy.

So, nowadays [read: Era 2], Feruchemist is more equivalent to Allomancer because in Era 1 there was no such thing, as far as we know, as a Ferring; it was all or nothing with Feruchemy. Era 2 introduced Ferrings but that also diluted the meaning of the word Feruchemist. Perhaps, as of Era 2, because there are no known "Full" Feruchemists, there never was a word invented to differentiate between a Ferring and an Era 1 Feruchemist. 

Edited October 31, 2017 by CaptainRyan

[Shqueeves]

1 minute ago, King Cole said:

It is way way more likely than being a Fullborn

Quantitatively, yes. Relatively, they're both close enough to zero that it really doesn't make a difference. (Imagine 1/10^35 and 1/10^40)

[kenod]

Is it actually possible for a Fullborn to be born naturally? I thought that the different sDNA of the two abilities intervened with each other, making only twinborn possible, and not fullborn.

Edit: WoBs
 

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Wetlandernw

Why do the Twinborn in Alloy of Law have only one feruchemical power, when all previous feruchemists, in spite of breeding programs, could use all the metals? (from travyl) Or were Ferrings always part of the system and we just didn't meet them in Mistborn? (my addition)

Brandon Sanderson

The Ferrings are a new development since Mistborn, as the Feruchemists have been interbreeding with the Allomancers. Basically, the Allomancy genes interfere with the Feruchemistry genes, breaking it down and creating the limitations we see in Alloy of Law. (His response to this was really fun—he found it a very perceptive question, and enjoyed talking about it. I wish I'd had my recorder handy so I could give you the full transcript instead of the boiled-down version.)

http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kw=twinborn

 

Edited October 31, 2017 by kenod

[Podman]

2 minutes ago, kenod said:

Is it actually possible for a Fullborn to be born naturally? I thought that the different sDNA of the two abilities intervened with each other, making only twinborn possible, and not fullborn.

No, it's theoretically possible for a Fullborn to be born naturally. The only reason that it doesn't occur in modern (read Era 2) times is that the statistical probability is so low as to make it nigh impossible. Twinborn is still incredibly rare, but likely enough to happen on a regular basis.

[kenod]

Just now, podman36 said:

No, it's theoretically possible for a Fullborn to be born naturally. The only reason that it doesn't occur in modern (read Era 2) times is that the statistical probability is so low as to make it nigh impossible. Twinborn is still incredibly rare, but likely enough to happen on a regular basis.

Ah, alright. I probably missed some more recent WoBs on that.

[+robardin]

6 hours ago, kenod said:

Ah, alright. I probably missed some more recent WoBs on that.

Probably something to do with the fact that there haven't been any natural Mistborn since the Catacendre - Spook the Lord Mistborn was the last one, over 300 years prior to Era 2, and he had been made Mistborn by an Act of God (Harmony), not born as one. Something has to be going on there; related to how Harmony changed the mechanism of Snapping to awaken Allomancy is my guess.