Amaram

[thejopen27 he/him]

6 hours ago, The One Who Connects said:

Oh yea that. Never actually read that little flashback collection. There might have been some discussions about it, but last year would be before the spoiler board, so they'd be in the SA forum. Does that mean it's information that technically doesn't have to be locked inside the spoiler board, or am I subconsciously pulling loopholes?

Either way, it wasn't cited and is from an unofficially released book. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

8 minutes ago, thejopen27 said:

Either way, it wasn't cited and is from an unofficially released book. 

Being included in Unfettered II, which actually was officially released back in November of 2016 makes this uncertain territory

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10 hours ago, The One Who Connects said:

Oh yea that. Never actually read that little flashback collection. There might have been some discussions about it, but last year would be before the spoiler board, so they'd be in the SA forum. Does that mean it's information that technically doesn't have to be locked inside the spoiler board, or am I subconsciously pulling loopholes?

But, what is this "Thrill", and what do I need to do to obtain it? I have almost completed my collection of the Cosmere that I am able to. Finishing Bands of Mourning this week, then I'll read Arcanum Unbound very.. very... quickly.. on the 15th, because I'll have Oathbringer on the 14th, but I will not read Oathbringer until I read Edgedancer. Is the Thrill a separate work, and can some of you reputable folks point a lowly little Pahn Kahl to the secret stash of goodies of short stories?

[Pattern he/him]

2 hours ago, Knghtstlker said:

Is the Thrill a separate work, and can some of you reputable folks point a lowly little Pahn Kahl to the secret stash of goodies of short stories?

Not sure if spoilers needed, but to be on the safe side: possibly spoiler OB

Spoiler

The Thrill is a chapter selection published in the anthology Unfettered II. You don't need to read it separately. Read Edgedancer and then Oathbringer as soon as it is released (16th for me, darn). Without spoilering, what's in Unfettered II will be slightly edited in Oathbringer, too.

Oh, and talking about Amaram. "Amaram" is a short form of "amaveram", Latin, and means "I had loved". Let's reconciliate this with his character...

Edited November 6, 2017 by Pattern

[lastofus]

Ok I think my theory is this:

First of all, of course Amaram didn't bound the blade and hid the plate for some years. right? I think we all can agree to this part.

Next point is about his explanation. Kaladin saved Amaram from a Brightlord soldier, not an assassin. Those are two different things. I think that assassination means attacking when you least expect like sleeping...

So comes a night 4-5 months ago, there's some ruckus going on, people hear someone had tried to assassinate Amaram. So everyone is up next day only to see Amaram with a storming shardblade in his hands (It take 7 - 9? days to bound the blade), and after that time, everyone know that Amaram is a shardbearer, because who the storm would get one and would leave it unbound for more than a second? It's a storming shardblade.

The only ones who know the truth are the Sons of Honor. Amaram probably either killed the guards he didn't trust or left them at home.

Did anyone who Dalinar (or his scribes) investigate say anything about how he saw the assassin? How Amaram fought? All witnesses said that he got the blade some months ago, but not how he got it. You cannot duel a Shardbearer with full plate when you have nothing, and you kill in the battlefield not assassinate.

Edited November 6, 2017 by lastofus

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

18 minutes ago, lastofus said:

First of all, of course Amaram didn't bound the blade and hid the plate for some years. right? I think we all can agree to this part.

Four months before he shows up on the plains, "long" after Kaladin''s ledger says he was made a slave. 

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“I don’t know where you got this idea about Amaram,”Dalinar said, “but you have to stop. I checked into what you said, after you brought it to my attention the first time. Seventeen witnesses told me that Amaram won his Shardblade only four months ago, long after your ledger says you were made a slave.”

“Lies.”

“Seventeen men,”Dalinar repeated. “Lighteyed and dark, along with the word of a man I’ve known for decades. You’re wrong about him, soldier. You’re just plain wrong.”

WoR 58 Never Again

It also never says he won them from an assassin, it's heavily implied this is from a battlefield. 

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Kaladin snorted. “I’ve seen plenty of lighteyes with that same reputation, and I’ve been disappointed by them every time. I’ll tell you about Brightlord Amaram sometime.”

“Amaram?” Skar asked. “The Shardbearer?”

“You’ve heard of that?” Kaladin asked. “Sure,” Skar said. “He’s supposed to be on his way here. Everyone’s talking about it in the taverns. Were you with him when he won his Shards?”

WoK Chapter 55 An Emerald Broam

In both instances they use the phrase 'won his shards' which, in my opinion, can only be interpreted as killing a shardbearer on the battlefield. A full shardbearer wouldn't be as effective an assassin as just a Blade holder would be like Lhiss, and it's implied Amaram won both his shards' at the same time.

[lastofus]

9 minutes ago, Fifth of Daybreak said:

It also never says he won them from an assassin, it's heavily implied this is from a battlefield. 

In both instances they use the phrase 'won his shards' which, in my opinion, can only be interpreted as killing a shardbearer on the battlefield. A full shardbearer wouldn't be as effective an assassin as just a Blade holder would be like Lhiss, and it's implied Amaram won both his shards' at the same time.

You're missing a quote here. 

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“I’ve explained this to Dalinar already,” Amaram said. “I don’t know the history of my Shards. Both were in the possession of an assassin who tried to kill me. A younger man. Veden, with red hair. We don’t know his name, and his face was ruined in my counterattack. I had to stab him through his faceplate, you see.”

WoR 52 INTO THE SKY

First hand quote from Amaram calling it an assassination. Of course they would know about other groups like ghostbloods and diagram, but saying it like that would mean that he claims the whole battle happened because of him. In battle, he is just a commander, a shardbearer can kill everyone in the army if he wishes, there's no reason to "try to assassinate" the brightlord to win the battle.

Edited November 6, 2017 by lastofus

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

12 minutes ago, lastofus said:

You're missing a quote here. 

First hand quote from Amaram calling it an assassination. Of course they would know about other groups like ghostbloods and diagram, but saying it like that would mean that he claims the whole battle happened because of him. In battle, he is just a commander, a shardbearer can kill everyone in the army if he wishes, there's no reason to "try to assassinate" the brightlord to win the battle.

Amaram has no reason to be fighting with Vedenar. He fights in Alethi border skirmishes, so there's no reason he would be a commander. That's why he calls him an assassin. I had forgotten about that quote though, good call.

[lastofus]

4 minutes ago, Fifth of Daybreak said:

Amaram has no reason to be fighting with Vedenar. He fights in Alethi border skirmishes, so there's no reason he would be a commander. That's why he calls him an assassin.

I have no idea why you said this. Did I say he wanted to fight Vedenar? 

What I meant was that because of this quote, I would think they changed the story to assassination in house, not on battlefield.

And again, dying by shardbearers in battlefield is just dying, no one calls it an assassination.

Edited November 6, 2017 by lastofus

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

Just now, lastofus said:

I have no idea why you said this. Did I say he wanted to fight Vedenar? 

What I meant was that because of this quote, I would think they changed the story to assassination in house, not on battlefield.

And again, dying by shardbearers in battlefield is just dying not being assassinated.

I'm saying this because it's why he would call an enemy shardbearer in the battlefield an assassin. There's no reason for a Veden lighteyed Shardbearer to be working with Alethi kingdoms in internal border struggles, that's why it's an assassination, not dying on the battlefield.

 

Dalinar would not accept 17 people saying, "I heard a story that there was an assassination attempt and then Amaram had shards the next day." That would support Kaladin''s allegations 

[lastofus]

Just now, Fifth of Daybreak said:

I'm saying this because it's why he would call an enemy shardbearer in the battlefield an assassin. There's no reason for a Veden lighteyed Shardbearer to be working with Alethi kingdoms in internal border struggles, that's why it's an assassination, not dying on the battlefield.

Ah ok, hadn't considered that really. 

1 minute ago, Fifth of Daybreak said:

Dalinar would not accept 17 people saying, "I heard a story that there was an assassination attempt and then Amaram had shards the next day." That would support Kaladin''s allegations 

Probably not, but it becomes urban legend, no one really says how he got it, and people fantasize seeing it, etc. 

But to be honest, it can be people pointing to others that "saw" it and every single one of them will lie for him. It's kinda scary.

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

4 minutes ago, lastofus said:

But to be honest, it can be people pointing to others that "saw" it and every single one of them will lie for him. It's kinda scary.

Yup, I think Jasnah sums it up best.

"Pride is often mistaken for faultlessness."

[The One Who Connects he/him]

7 hours ago, Knghtstlker said:

what is this "Thrill", and what do i need to do to obtain it?

The Thrill was the first four Dalinar Flashbacks put together as a "mini-story" for the Unfettered II Anthology. If you've read the currently released chapters of Oathbringer, you've already read The Thrill. It's no longer new information, nor is it something that you can't get anywhere else. Read Oathbringer when it comes out and you'll be good.

I think that at the time, the working title for his first flashback was "The Thrill," so he used that for the little collection title.

10 hours ago, Pagerunner said:

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[AbsentKeeper he/him]

7 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

Read Oathbringer when it comes out and you'll be good.

Yep, all the chapters from 'The Thrill' are already in the sample chapters now.

However, I feel like it needs to be said that it was actually a pretty good anthology with a few of my other favorite authors besides Sanderson, and I think it's worth buying for the other stories as well.