Calderis he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 And that WoB that The One Who Connects so graciously shared is the most compelling part of the Ash as Dustbringer argument to me. The Heralds are considered parts of their orders, and we've only seen a member of every order who will be a PoV if we count Heralds... But even with that stipulation the Dustbringers are weird... Because we've seen a Herald who will eventually be a PoV for an order that's not her original order. Until it does or doesn't happen it's speculation, but there you go.
SilverTiger she/her Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 I still don't think that Ash will become a Dustbringer. The One Who Connects' theory seems more likely, where she is working closely with a Dustbringer(s) because Chana died in battle. But to get back on topic, this thread is about who do 17th Shard think will become a Radiant, of what Order. Not the book-Orders focuses.
Wreith he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) that quote the question refers to pov characters, not flashback characters. Adolin is a pov character, as is Axies. I don't think that's saying what we seem to think it's saying... Edited October 15, 2017 by Wreith autocorrect is stupid
Yata he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, SilverTiger said: I still don't think that Ash will become a Dustbringer. The One Who Connects' theory seems more likely, where she is working closely with a Dustbringer(s) because Chana died in battle. But to get back on topic, this thread is about who do 17th Shard think will become a Radiant, of what Order. Not the book-Orders focuses. Nothing prevent Heralds from retriving other Honorblades...so another chance is Ash equipped with Chana's Blade (in addiction or instead of his own). Her actual attitude could be aganist what She was and aim to be' a destroyer rather than a creator.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Wreith said: Axies. Willshaper material, in my opinion. If aimians can be KR that is.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 0:13 PM, Yata said: Nothing prevent Heralds from retrieving other Honorblades...so another chance is Ash equipped with Chana's Blade (in addition or instead of her own). Her actual attitude could be against what She was and aim to be' a destroyer rather than a creator. Oh right. I forgot about that entirely. That makes a lot of sense. To add to my "Shalash takes over in Chana's place" theory, maybe a proper Dustbringer teaches her the basics of using the powers. It'd make for an interesting scene. Although.. we have a WoB that some of the Heralds have swapped Honorblades in the past, so she might be somewhat familiar with the powers too. (unlikely, but if we already have a proto-Dustbringer before Shalash's book, it's better for Brandon to keep increasing our understanding of the powers rather than starting from scratch twice.) On 10/15/2017 at 10:51 AM, Wreith said: that quote the question refers to pov characters, not flashback characters. Adolin is a pov character, as is Axies. I don't think that's saying what we seem to think it's saying... Which WoB specifically? There have been quite a few posted in here, and I want to be on the same page before discussing further.
Wreith he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Which WoB specifically? There have been quite a few posted in here, and I want to be on the same page before discussing further This one. We seem to keep point to this and using it to indicate that each order will be represented as a Flashback Character for a book. Maybe there's another Word that says that somewhere else, but I think this is the only one I've seen in reference, but it's not about the Flashback characters. It's about PoV characters. On 10/14/2017 at 6:10 PM, The One Who Connects said: Fun fact, that question pertained to Dustbringers. Quote Questioner: Have we-- I think you mentioned in a previous signing that we’d already met one member of every Order of the Knights Radiant. Brandon: Yes, I think you have. Questioner: Is one of the Dustbringers a viewpoint character? Brandon: One of the Dustbringers is eventually a point-of-view character. Questioner: Haven’t been yet? Brandon: Nnnnoooo, not yet, I don’t think. But it depends if you count the Heralds as members of their order. Questioner: I don’t. Brandon: Oh, see I would, because they’re kind of heads of their Order. If you don’t count them you have not met some from every Order. Questioner: [Have we met someone from the Dustbringers?] Brandon: Well… Dustbringers are really complicated. /Really/ complicated. So that’s the weird one. Okay? So let’s shelve that one. You’ll see why it’s really weird later on.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wreith said: We seem to keep point to this and using it to indicate that each order will be represented as a Flashback Character for a book. You'd be surprised how few people even remembered this WoB existed until I was hunting it for Maxal. I really haven't seen many people using it to justify that, so I imagine people are simply making assumptions that aren't there. Out of curiosity, would you mind linking a few posts/topics that misuse it as reference for that so I can parse what people are actually saying(and correct them if need be)?
Wreith he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: Out of curiosity, would you mind linking a few posts/topics that misuse it as reference for that Yeah, when I see it again, I'll let you know. I know I've seen it a few times recently. I don't have time today to go hunting though.
Yata he/him Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 14 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Oh right. I forgot about that entirely. That makes a lot of sense. To add to my "Shalash takes over in Chana's place" theory, maybe a proper Dustbringer teaches her the basics of using the powers. It'd make for an interesting scene. Possibile, also if I believe the Heralds know already the basics of the Surges. A Radiant will be ok as a mesure of check in her progress but I believe It's not the best teacher as Mechanically Surgebinding will be less flexible and intuitive. (Like if Jasnah was putted in Ardent's Soulcasters training....for her with the Bond some Aspects of the Trasformation Surge come naturally...and the Soulcasters can't replicate this). Returning to how Ash could put her and on Chana's Blade... It's possibile/likely that not all' the Heralds Will return to fight, maybe Chana isn't willing. I don't believe Ash will retrive the Blade After Chana's Death as I believe the Blade will vanish together with her. This could be interesting, we May have a Honorblades' surplus of the Heralds didn't want them...we May see Abnormal magic users in this Desolation. Radiants+Honorblades together or Heralds power-shited or Herald-Radiant
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 11:58 PM, Yata said: I don't believe Ash will retrieve the Blade after Chana's Death as I believe the Blade will vanish together with her. Forgot about yet another thing, did I? You're right(unless something changes in future books), they should disappear when their respective Herald dies. Guess I'll support your "Chana doesn't want to fight" logic, as it makes the most sense. On 10/17/2017 at 11:58 PM, Yata said: Possible, also if I believe the Heralds know already the basics of the Surges. While it wouldn't surprise me if they already knew the basics of the Surges, Brandon said swapping Honorblades was "not common," so I made the assumption that they might not have actually spent much time learning the others. I'd liken it to factory equipment(of all things). An employee might know what a particular piece of equipment does, but not necessarily know how to make the equipment function. Kaladin had that moment of understanding when he first lashed himself to a wall, I see no reason why a Herald shouldn't have to reach that moment too in order to make the powers work, even if they already know what they are trying to do.
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