Odium and Hoid

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

I was browsing around the Shard WoBs on Theoryland, and I found this:

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ALAXEL ()

? is unknown, but likely a request for previously unknown information to be added to a personalized copy of TWOK

BRANDON SANDERSON ()

Alaxel got a personalized copy of WoK, and written in it was "Odium and Hoid were once friends."

Anyone who has seen this before? I have not, and I was very surprised by this. 

[Calderis he/him]

9 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

I was browsing around the Shard WoBs on Theoryland, and I found this:

Anyone who has seen this before? I have not, and I was very surprised by this. 

Considering the level of animosity Hoid shows towards Rayse, it makes sense. 

It's much easier to hate someone you used to care. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Just now, Calderis said:

Considering the level of animosity Hoid shows towards Rayse, it makes sense. 

It's much easier to hate someone you used to care. 

This is true, and I´m mostly surprised by the fact that I didn´t know of this WoB until today. I wonder why they went from friends to enemies? 

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, Toaster Retribution said:

This is true, and I´m mostly surprised by the fact that I didn´t know of this WoB until today. I wonder why they went from friends to enemies? 

I'm guessing we have to wait for Dragonsteel for that answer. 

That's... Gonna be a while. 

[+Extesian he/him]

I figured all the Shatterers were originally friends, hence their involvement in the Shattering together. But I'd never seen that and it's a great one to highlight. 

And of course anything could be true for the original Vessels, but then being friends are one point makes sense to me. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

5 minutes ago, Extesian said:

And of course anything could be true for the original Vessels, but then being friends are one point makes sense to me. 

Have a WoB that gives us a small snippet into their interactions. (mostly because I finally found it again)

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• Question

  If the Shards were split because Adonalsium is too dangerous to be in one place, why do they clump?

  Brandon Sanderson

  Personalities, business associates.

 

[Ammanas]

15 minutes ago, Extesian said:

I figured all the Shatterers were originally friends, hence their involvement in the Shattering together. But I'd never seen that and it's a great one to highlight. 

And of course anything could be true for the original Vessels, but then being friends are one point makes sense to me. 

I see them as being united in the same purpose rather than friends. It's not specified, but its just the general feeling I get from the two w.o.b. I will include:

 

Was the shattering of Adonalsium done, for the forces to attack the Anti-Adonalsium?

BRANDON SANDERSON

You’re focusing too much on the idea of the anti-adonalsium. What was really asked is “is there a force that opposes Adonalsium” and it left me a lot of wiggle room. In other words, the people who killed it was a force, or any person who opposed Adonalsium you could say is a force. What they were trying to get was a “devil” but that assumes Adonalsium is a more Christian-style God, and I have not confirmed any of that.

And

QUESTION

I’m _____ ____ Adonalsium. Out of the people that were leftover from just before the Breaking, did they think it was a good idea or a bad idea?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Opinions are mixed.

QUESTION

Is it mixed between vessels and non-vessels?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Most of the vessels support the decision that they made. I would say of those remaining, who are not vessels, the majority think it was a bad idea. I would say ____ it’s not 100%

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1153

Edited July 16, 2017 by Ammanas

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

I'm proud over the fact that I found a WoB that @Extesian had not heard of. 

When it comes to general relations between vessels, I'm guessing that they were on pretty good terms. We know that Tanavast and Cultivation were romantically involved, and it is a pretty good assumption that Aona and Skai, Ati and Leras and Rayse and Bavadin had some sort of relationship too.

Also, as @Calderis pointed out, it is easier to hate when you used to care. I'm going to guess then that Hoid, Bavadin and Rayse were good friends once, but something (the Shattering?) placed Rayse and Bavadin on one side of a conflict and Hoid on the opposite, which is where the grudge comes from.

[Ceradis]

In WoR epilogue, Hoid mentions to Jasnah that Tanavast had bought him drinks before. The letter also talks about the vessels with what seems to be personal familiarity so this makes sense and kinda confirms that Hoid personally new most if not all of the shatterers.