Sami she/her Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Here's something I've been wondering about for a while. In BoM, is Kelsier the Sovereign Allik talks about who saves them and teaches them the medallions? Or the Lord Ruler somehow? And if it was Kelsier, how did he get the Bands? Edited July 6, 2017 by Sami
2 Oversleep Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Yep, that's Kelsier. The Bands are not actually the Bands of Mourning. The original Bands of Mourning were ripped off TLR by Vin and then atium sold by Elend. These Bands (let's say: Survivor's Spearhead) were crafted by Kelsier and are not actually Bands of Mourning, it's just that everyone thought those are the Bands of Mouring. 1
0 WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Has it been 100% confirmed it is Kelsier? I thought everything pointed at it but without the final nail in the coffin, which kept things at 99% sure.
0 Agent34 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 43 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said: Has it been 100% confirmed it is Kelsier? I thought everything pointed at it but without the final nail in the coffin, which kept things at 99% sure. I don't think there's a WoB or an outright confirmation on it but it's rather heavily implied at this point.
0 Sami she/her Posted July 6, 2017 Author Posted July 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Oversleep said: he Bands are not actually the Bands of Mourning. The original Bands of Mourning were ripped off TLR by Vin and then atium sold by Elend Woohooo go Kelsier!!!! What happened to the real Bands of Mourning after that?
0 Calderis he/him Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 1 hour ago, WhiteLeeopard said: Has it been 100% confirmed it is Kelsier? I thought everything pointed at it but without the final nail in the coffin, which kept things at 99% sure. I'm pretty sure the memory Wax gets out of that medallion confirms it. The scars, the Southern Scadrians freezing, "survive" Considering the state of the southerners in that memory, it seems to be a precursor to the introduction of the firesoul medallions, heavily implying Kelsier as the Sovereign. 22 minutes ago, Sami said: What happened to the real Bands of Mourning after that? The real bands were broken up and sold as the pure atium they were to help fund Vin and Elends government in Luthadel. They barely survived past the end of TFE. 1
0 Agent34 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, Calderis said: I'm pretty sure the memory Wax gets out of that medallion confirms it. The scars, the Southern Scadrians freezing, "survive" Considering the state of the southerners in that memory, it seems to be a precursor to the introduction of the firesoul medallions, heavily implying Kelsier as the Sovereign. The real bands were broken up and sold as the pure atium they were to help fund Vin and Elends government in Luthadel. They barely survived past the end of TFE. In the Kelsier vs Moiraine fight some of Kelsier's comments can also be used as hints/evidence.
0 Storming Radiant he/him Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said: Has it been 100% confirmed it is Kelsier? I thought everything pointed at it but without the final nail in the coffin, which kept things at 99% sure. Before SH in AU, there is a note saying that the story contains spoilers for BoM. So I think it mostly proves that it os Kelsier there, otherwise I can't see what spoiler it's warning against.
0 Renecade Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Kelsier fought against Moiraine? How did an Aes Sedai even reach the Cognitive Realm? Was this after she went through the twisted doorway ter'angreal?
0 Pattern he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 The Sovereign definitely is not TLR. Spoiler In Secret History we see how Rashek passes on to the Beyond, so he cannot be the Sovereign in BoM Reading the BoM the first time (before SH was released), when I read the command "Survive", I thought "wait, what is Kelsier doing here, I thought he was dead". Usually going with my first impression/feeling turns out to be right. The Sovereign is either Kelsier or a Kandra impersonating him (as far as I know his bones should still be available?). Spoiler Hmm....Kandra and Cognitive Shadow...hmmm delicious...
0 Agent34 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Renecade said: Kelsier fought against Moiraine? How did an Aes Sedai even reach the Cognitive Realm? Was this after she went through the twisted doorway ter'angreal? It wasn't a fight in any book. It was a cross-fandom cage match: http://www.unboundworlds.com/2012/03/cage-match-2012-round-4-moiraine-damodred-versus-kelsier/
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Sami she/her
Here's something I've been wondering about for a while.
In BoM, is Kelsier the Sovereign Allik talks about who saves them and teaches them the medallions? Or the Lord Ruler somehow? And if it was Kelsier, how did he get the Bands?
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