Chinsukolo Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Anyone have any info on the halfshard shields of Jah Keved? I was thinking that maybe they are made of a Aluminum alloy and that's why the can partially withstand shardblades (blocking the investiture)..
Spoolofwhool Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Chinsukolo said: Anyone have any info on the halfshard shields of Jah Keved? I was thinking that maybe they are made of a Aluminum alloy and that's why the can partially withstand shardblades (blocking the investiture).. They have fabrials attached to them. These probably invest the shield so that it can stop shardblades from cutting it. While it's possible that they're made from aluminum, considering there's disagreement in Team Sanderson on whether sprenblades can magically cut aluminum, I don't think we'll get a response soon.
Calderis he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Chinsukolo said: Anyone have any info on the halfshard shields of Jah Keved? I was thinking that maybe they are made of a Aluminum alloy and that's why the can partially withstand shardblades (blocking the investiture).. They are a fabrial, and fail quickly. From tWoK Interlude 9 Quote “You think I didn’t know you were coming?” the king yelled at him. “After you killed three of my highprinces? We’re ready for you, assassin.” He lifted something from beneath the table. Another of those half-shard shields. They were made of metal imbedded with a gemstone hidden at the back. I personally think they use the surge of Tension to "strengthen" the shield, and the investiture allows them to block Shardblades as a side effect, and that the artifabrians don't actually understand exactly what they've done.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Calderis said: They are a fabrial, and fail quickly. From tWoK Interlude 9 I personally think they use the surge of Tension to "strengthen" the shield, and the investiture allows them to block Shardblades as a side effect, and that the artifabrians don't actually understand exactly what they've done. I figured it was another use of Augmenter Fabrials, but that still might unknowingly utilize the Surge of Tension
Voidus Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Augmenter fabrials that strengthen the shields durability. Quote The so-called half-shards of Jah Keved are created with this type of fabrial attached to a sheet of metal, enhancing its durability. Few possibilities here. 1. The sheets of metal are aluminium and the enhanced durability helps them be solid enough to act as a shield while the aluminium itself is what blocks the shardblade. (Unlikely since the Aluminium would probably interfere with the fabrial investing it before it interferes with the shardblade) 2. The specific nature of a lesser amount of investiture that has been 'programmed' (So to speak) specifically to block things is enough to overcome the investiture difference. 3. Artifabrians are mistaken as to what exactly the fabrial is augmenting and it is some other property which is blocking the Shardblade. I'm inclined to believe 2.
Calderis he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: I figured it was another use of Augmenter Fabrials, but that still might unknowingly utilize the Surge of Tension 29 minutes ago, Voidus said: I'm inclined to believe 2. I agree with both of you. Augmenter Fabrials are an in world classification based on what the fabrials do, and not the underlying mechanics. If a fabrial used gravitation to make things heavier or lighter it would be an Augmenter. I think the "durability" in this instance is either tension or cohesion. I can't even wrap my mind around why I lean towards tension but I do.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 12 hours ago, Calderis said: If a fabrial used gravitation to make things heavier or lighter it would be an Augmenter. Technically, it would be a Diminisher if it reduced something(like gravity/weight) Quote Altering fabrials Altering fabrials changed something in some way, such as making something hotter or colder, increasing something durability, or eliminating pain. Artifabrians believe there is potential for greater types of fabrials in this category.[1] Augmenters Augmenters enhance or increase something; they work best with forces, emotions or sensations. Half-shards and Grandbows are examples of augmenters that increase durability.[1][5] There are also heating fabrials that generate heat.[6] Diminishers Diminishers act as opposites of augmenters, decreasing something as opposed to increasing it. diminished something. In general they operate in a similar manner to augmenters, with similar restrictions.[1]Painrials are an example of a diminisher that decrease pain.[7] It raises an interesting question, as increasing Durability and increasing Heat are definitely not the same Surge. If it's more efficient than infused spheres, an Augmenter/Diminisher system utilizing the surge of Illumination could replace the lightbulb... Hrmm... What might the Augmenter making heat be utilizing? We know that it's possible to make Fabrial versions of all 10 Surges, but do we actually know if they can use other things? Alerter Fabrials are another good starting point, as I'm having difficulty making a Surge Equivalent. Detecting people seems like Life Sense(4th Height.), but emotions? Phenomena?
Calderis he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: Technically, it would be a Diminisher if it reduced something(like gravity/weight) True, but it doesn't alter my point. They are classifying their fabrials by the effects they produce and not by the means by which they achieve the effect. They are approaching fabrials scientifically, so this makes perfect sense. Fabrial tech is a relatively young science and so they are creating classifications based on the evidence they are able to observe. The return of the Knights, and the ability to explore the underlying surges directly could make for some better data and better understanding of how the fabrials themselves function. 13 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: It raises an interesting question, as increasing Durability and increasing Heat are definitely not the same Surge. If it's more efficient than infused spheres, an Augmenter/Diminisher system utilizing the surge of Illumination could replace the lightbulb... Hrmm... What might the Augmenter making heat be utilizing? We know that it's possible to make Fabrial versions of all 10 Surges, but do we actually know if they can use other things? Alerter Fabrials are another good starting point, as I'm having difficulty making a Surge Equivalent. Detecting people seems like Life Sense(4th Height.), but emotions? Phenomena? Good questions. Could alerter be setting up a radius using the transportation surge somehow, and when the perimeter is breached they go off? Intuitively it feels like they should be limited to the surges, but with Spren involved, and the nature of spren in both forces and emotional states... I have no clue. 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Calderis said: True, but it doesn't alter my point. I was debating whether or not to type /pedant after I said that, so fair enough. 8 minutes ago, Calderis said: Could Alerter be setting up a radius using the transportation surge somehow, and when the perimeter is breached they go off? That could work for people, objects, and phenomena, but I don't think that could sufficiently explain the Emotion Bracelet. It's an idea to start from though, which is more than I had.
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