Tin Twin Born

[rmhyer]

Would a twin born that is able to compound Tin and who stores scent in a tin mind, when burning that tin mind, would only his sense of scent be heightened beyond normal allomancy or would all of the senses be compounded?

[The One Who Connects he/him]

4 minutes ago, rmhyer said:

Would a twin born that is able to compound Tin and who stores scent in a tin mind, when burning that tin mind, would only his sense of scent be heightened beyond normal allomancy or would all of the senses be compounded?

As you have to store individual senses separately, it should only compound his sense of smell.

[+hwiles]

On 6/10/2017 at 9:26 PM, rmhyer said:

Would a twin born that is able to compound Tin and who stores scent in a tin mind, when burning that tin mind, would only his sense of scent be heightened beyond normal allomancy or would all of the senses be compounded?

As @The One Who Connects said, yes, only your sense of smell should be compounded.  When you compound, you are basically creating a new allomantic metal that, when burned, duplicates what's stored in the metalmind.

I believe a similar phenomenon exists with nicrosil minds, IE: if you store one type of Investiture in a nicrosil mind, you can't compound it to fill another nicrosilmind with a different type of Investiture.  Otherwise, nicrosil twinborn might be able to make themselves fullborn, which would be very silly.

[CaptainRyan he/him]

On 6/10/2017 at 8:26 PM, rmhyer said:

Would a twin born that is able to compound Tin and who stores scent in a tin mind, when burning that tin mind, would only his sense of scent be heightened beyond normal allomancy or would all of the senses be compounded?

 

On 6/10/2017 at 8:31 PM, The One Who Connects said:

As you have to store individual senses separately, it should only compound his sense of smell.

I agree with The One Who Connects. I just wanted to add that if you had 5 separate tin minds to use I believe you could compound all five senses at once.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

1 hour ago, CaptainRyan said:

I agree with The One Who Connects. I just wanted to add that if you had 5 separate tin minds to use I believe you could compound all five senses at once.

While you are more than likely right, unless the wild combination theory(store in iron, smelt the iron into steel, store in that, then compound, get "momentum" or some such) is true, you would still have to store those compounded senses in 5 separate Tinminds.

In short, I feel like it's safer to compound them one after the other rather than risk wasting some of the attributes or having to suffer from the nausea of having a bunch of(insert sense here) disorienting you as you mentally store them until you get more skilled in Feruchemy to do the multi-storing in multiple minds of the same metal.
Takes more mental capacity to distinguish between tin1, tin2, and tin3 than it does to distinguish between tin, copper, and bronze. At least logically it should, right?

[Calderis he/him]

20 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

While you are more than likely right, unless the wild combination theory(store in iron, smelt the iron into steel, store in that, then compound, get "momentum" or some such) is true, you would still have to store those compounded senses in 5 separate Tinminds.

He specifically mentioned burning 5 different tin minds, but this made me wonder. You should be able to store multiple senses in a single tin mind just as you can store separate memories in a Coppermind. 

If you had a tin mind that you'd stored multiple senses in, burning that would be much more in line with the crazy combo theory. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

22 minutes ago, Calderis said:

You should be able to store multiple senses in a single tin mind just as you can store separate memories in a Coppermind. 

If you had a tin mind that you'd stored multiple senses in, burning that would be much more in line with the crazy combo theory. 

I'm both pleasantly surprised and very annoyed now. Both Tin and Bendalloy have their "separate minds are necessary" info sourced to the AoL Ars Arcanum, rather than a proper WoB.

Annoyed at myself for never realizing this, but pleasantly surprised that this might be possible. It never occurred to me that it wasn't an irrefutable quality of Feruchemy

[Calderis he/him]

3 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

I'm both pleasantly surprised and very annoyed now. Both Tin and Bendalloy have their "separate minds are necessary" info sourced to the AoL Ars Arcanum, rather than a proper WoB.

I apparently forgot about that listed requirement entirely... And learning about it bothers me. 

We know that separate feruchemists can store in the same metalmind, and it will effectively be partitioned. So if two tin feruchemists store on the same metalmind, is the second forced to store the same sense as the first? And if not, why would the first be limited where the second isn't? 

I really want the AA to be wrong in this instance, because it seems like an arbitrary rule that conflicts with other known feruchemical properties. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

13 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I apparently forgot about that listed requirement entirely... And learning about it bothers me. 

We know that separate Feruchemists can store in the same Metalmind, and it will effectively be partitioned. So if two tin Feruchemists store on the same Metalmind, is the second forced to store the same sense as the first? And if not, why would the first be limited where the second isn't? 

I really want the AA to be wrong in this instance, because it seems like an arbitrary rule that conflicts with other known Feruchemical properties. 

Added to the Ultimate List, as well as my own lists(crediting you of course)
In actual response, It would be very intriguing if it didn't limit the other person too. It'd make for an interesting story, as Jim's innocuous tastemind is actually also Sally's hearingmind, very useful for a spy infiltration or somesuch.

[rmhyer]

11 hours ago, CaptainRyan said:

 

I agree with The One Who Connects. I just wanted to add that if you had 5 separate tin minds to use I believe you could compound all five senses at once.

But can a tin eye determine which particle or piece of tin that he is burning? If he has swallowed 5 separate tin minds with 5 separate senses, can he just burn the sight mind and not the others at will?

[Calderis he/him]

15 hours ago, rmhyer said:

But can a tin eye determine which particle or piece of tin that he is burning? If he has swallowed 5 separate tin minds with 5 separate senses, can he just burn the sight mind and not the others at will?

As I've always understood it yes. They aren't really detecting the metals, as much as they're detecting the power stored in it.

In TFE, Vin was able to sense the investiture stored in one of Sazed's metalminds, but couldn't burn it.

I'm fairly sure that a feruchemist would be able to feel the correct store intuitively. 

Edited June 16, 2017 by Calderis