Chinsukolo Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Short theory here: Each order has 2 surges making up their order. Some surges are much more human ideals and others are much more natural forces. We also know that Honor and Cultivation were working together. So I suggest that there are two surges for every order because it's 1 surge from Honor and 1 Surge from Cultivation. Maybe it's to simple but wanted to share and see what people thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Which surges are ideals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 50 minutes ago, Calderis said: Which surges are ideals? I shouldn't have used "Ideals" since that has loaded meaning in SA already. I guess trying to say the Surge is more of a human concept that natural force. Like Gravitation is a physics force, but Transportation is more of a thing people and living things do. I kind of see Tension not a Physical thing like surface tension, but as a emotional type, hence Bondsmiths bring people together by reducing tension or creating tension between peoples. I don't have an answer for all of them because many we havent seen. Just wanted to share a thought/concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Chinsukolo said: I kind of see Tension not a Physical thing like surface tension, but as a emotional type, hence Bondsmiths bring people together by reducing tension or creating tension between peoples. Well, the power itself is kinda like surface tension. Quote Brandon Sanderson Um, weak/strong forces, yes, that's the one that sent me there partially. Like, I'm not actually... the idea of the fundamental forces is a cool thing to me so it's not like I'm actually trying to use the weak and strong forces, the idea of there being fundamental forces. I wanted to go off on it in a fancy way. Like this one right here I told them was surface tension. But it's not really surface tension. It's more like um, the people with this could take a piece of cloth and snap it out and it would become hard as if the cloth became steel. I'm trying to explain this scientifically, but it doesn't work scientifically. Imagine as if they could restructure the atoms so that they became a latticework like a crystal rather than being soft like...cloth. I'm calling it surface tension, but it's not really surface tension. hoser Tensile strength? Brandon Sanderson (hedging) It's kind of like tensile strength. I have to go through Peter and say "Alright Peter, come up with what we should really call this." He does the hard science a lot better than I do. I do the armchair theories and then he goes, "Ok, now this is the math if someone were to actually fall off of this and 0.7 gravity and the weight of the bridge...". (looking back at the chart) So what can I give you that I didn't give her? Um, one of the orders is called Bondsmiths. It's not exactly, but you mentioned it, so I brought this one up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Ok so another theory out the window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staterus he/him Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 I like the theory but several surges overlap in orders and so this theory doesn't really work as you would end up having at least one combination with two Honor or two Cultivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Staterus said: I like the theory but several surges overlap in orders and so this theory doesn't really work as you would end up having at least one combination with two Honor or two Cultivation. Not actually. If they alternate, then there is no possible way to get two of the same. If Surges 1 and 3 are of Honor, and 2 is of Cultivation, then both 1&2 and 2&3 will have one of each, while 1&3 is an impossible combination Example) Honor: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 Cultivation: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 Pair Overlap while Ascending by 1 makes it impossible to have 2 of a kind. 1/2 2/3 3/4 etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 2 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Not actually. If they alternate, then there is no possible way to get two of the same. If Surges 1 and 3 are of Honor, and 2 is of Cultivation, then both 1&2 and 2&3 will have one of each, while 1&3 is an impossible combination Example) Honor: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 Cultivation: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 Pair Overlap while Ascending by 1 makes it impossible to have 2 of a kind. 1/2 2/3 3/4 etc.. That's exactly how I pictured it in my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Radiant he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 On 11.6.2017 at 2:32 AM, Chinsukolo said: because it's 1 surge from Honor and 1 Surge from Cultivation. I always thought that the Old magic was from Cultivation, the surges from Honor and the voidbinding from Odiom. Is it not so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Storming Radiant said: I always thought that the Old magic was from Cultivation, the surges from Honor and the voidbinding from Odiom. Is it not so? It was my theory, not a defined, resourced, canon statement. In my mind there is no reason the Surges can't be a combo of Honor and Cultivation's magic, and the "Old Magic" just be cultivation own non-mixed magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Radiant he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 So in your theory, will there also be a fourth set of powers? One that flows only from Honor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Storming Radiant said: So in your theory, will there also be a fourth set of powers? One that flows only from Honor? Well Brandon had mentioned Fabriels being their own type of magic. In the end i think it's all moot as I feel that much earlier posts had already disproved this theory of mine. I was merely trying to respond to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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