Samaldin he/him Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 Does anyone know where to find the answet for the last poll? It was supposed to be answered last friday if i remember correctly...
Pagerunner he/him Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, Samaldin said: Does anyone know where to find the answet for the last poll? It was supposed to be answered last friday if i remember correctly... I don't think it has been posted yet. Brandon must not have been able to find time to write up an answer before the holiday weekend. I expect we'll see it soon, unless Adam decides to save it until this coming Friday.
Guest Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 On 5/30/2017 at 4:24 PM, Pagerunner said: I don't think it has been posted yet. Brandon must not have been able to find time to write up an answer before the holiday weekend. I expect we'll see it soon, unless Adam decides to save it until this coming Friday. I've been looking for it too
Jofwu he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Re: Sunraiser... This is probably well known? But it never occurred to me: Elhokar's blade is the one that appears in the KR logo. An honorblade seems like a stretch to me. Requires too many explanations. My guess is that it belonged to some kind of leader of the Knights Radiant. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they had a central leadership. I'd assume that this role belonged to a Bondsmith, but Brandon seems to have shot this idea down. My next guess would be that the job belonged to a Truthwatcher. If not that, perhaps the job passed around to different orders (by vote or some other means of selection). In any case, the idea would be that this blade belonged to whoever the "leader" was when the Recreance happened. 4
Oversleep Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, jofwu said: Re: Sunraiser... This is probably well known? But it never occurred to me: Elhokar's blade is the one that appears in the KR logo. Never noticed that! And I have not heard about it earlier either.
Flynn Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 would someone be able to post the new faqfri answer? i'm blocked from twitter at school.
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 6 hours ago, jofwu said: Re: Sunraiser... This is probably well known? But it never occurred to me: Elhokar's blade is the one that appears in the KR logo. An honorblade seems like a stretch to me. Requires too many explanations. My guess is that it belonged to some kind of leader of the Knights Radiant. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they had a central leadership. I'd assume that this role belonged to a Bondsmith, but Brandon seems to have shot this idea down. My next guess would be that the job belonged to a Truthwatcher. If not that, perhaps the job passed around to different orders (by vote or some other means of selection). In any case, the idea would be that this blade belonged to whoever the "leader" was when the Recreance happened. This is an interesting theory, but how does it become relevant within the Stormligt Archive? If Elhokar's Blade somehow becomes important, then how it once belonging to a former leader be an interesting plot twist? While I do agree too many explanations are required for it to be an Honorblade and while I do agree it seems a tad far-fetched, I do feel it offers interesting main narrative possibilities such as Elhokar misusing his new powers... I have always felt Elhokar's character's main purpose was to highlight a flaw within Dalinar's character which is why I do not see his character spontaneously overcoming his issues. I feel the story with Elhokar centers around Dalinar letting go of the last vestige of his massive guilt when it comes to Gavilar by stopping defending Elhokar's every wrongs. Him having a Honorblade and doing the irreparable could definitely create a "moment" where this happen. Still, I agree your theory is more plausible, just not as interesting on a main narrative viewpoint, but YMMV BTW, do you know when we'll get last week's answer? I really wanted to read it.
Pagerunner he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 6 hours ago, jofwu said: Re: Sunraiser... This is probably well known? But it never occurred to me: Elhokar's blade is the one that appears in the KR logo. An honorblade seems like a stretch to me. Requires too many explanations. My guess is that it belonged to some kind of leader of the Knights Radiant. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they had a central leadership. I'd assume that this role belonged to a Bondsmith, but Brandon seems to have shot this idea down. My next guess would be that the job belonged to a Truthwatcher. If not that, perhaps the job passed around to different orders (by vote or some other means of selection). In any case, the idea would be that this blade belonged to whoever the "leader" was when the Recreance happened. Why do we assume that the Bondsmiths were leaders? Because Dalinar is a Bondsmith, and he's pretty much leading Alethkar right now? The Windrunners were associated with the Jezrien, king of the Heralds. One of the Attributes they're associated with is Leading. If anyone was going to lead the Radiants, I feel it would be a Windrunner. 10 minutes ago, Flynn said: would someone be able to post the new faqfri answer? i'm blocked from twitter at school. There was no new answer posted. It was just the results of the poll, of people voting for which question they wanted to see answered next. 1
+Extesian he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 The questions for June are up. There's a few of realmatic interest which I've underlined. I like the last one particularly but let me know if we already know. The first is interesting but we have a bow and arrow answer already. The Shard one could be interesting just in case he elaborates more on the categories. Would it be possible to have a “shardgun”? (shardblade in the form of a gun) I’m not good at writing sexy scenes. Can you give me hints on how to imply that sexy stuff is happening behind the scenes? Are there parallels with your own personal spiritual journey that come out in characters like Hrathen in Elantris and Sazed in Mistborn? My husband and I have noticed parallels in each of the cosmere books with Socio-political structures and events throughout history. Have you drawn inspiration from historical events for how certain situations would evolve or are these parallels mere coincidence? One thing I wondered throughout Mistborn was if Ruin represents the concept of Entropy or the concept of Decay? It seems that the Shards seem to represent universal constants, and while it is evident what Preservation or Cultivation represents, Ruin seems more ambiguous. If a fantasy book had a bad (Not Happy) ending, would it affect the sales, the Goodreads rating, the overall satisfaction of the readers? Would publishers even publish a fantasy book with a bad ending? Can you give any tips for writing metaphors? In the first draft of The Way of Kings Kaladin was called Merin. Are there any other characters whose names you’ve changed? Can holders of Shards give them up voluntarily? I think this is what we see in a certain long novella, but can any vessel do this? If they do, will the power splinter quickly after they release it? Vote!
Oversleep Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Extesian said: The first is interesting but we have a bow and arrow answer already. We do? 1 hour ago, Extesian said: Can holders of Shards give them up voluntarily? I think this is what we see in a certain long novella, but can any vessel do this? If they do, will the power splinter quickly after they release it? I don't think we have a WoB on that... but I don't see why not. As for what will happen to the Shard, we do know: it would either splinter, seek out a new host or become sentient. EDIT: Found a WoB. I'm pretty sure there's one that says a Shard would Splinter without a Vessel, perhaps it was about Ruin and Preservation left after Vin suicide-killed Ati? Quote Dor, which is an amalgamation of Dominion and Devotion, has been pressed together and stuffed into the Cognitive Realm by Odium who didnt want it to gain sentience, as Investiture will do if it is left alone. It will either seek someone to be its Vessel or it will gain sentience. source 1 hour ago, Extesian said: Vote! Actually the voting for that poll is over... Edited June 1, 2017 by Oversleep
+Extesian he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Oversleep said: We do? I don't think we have a WoB on that... but I don't see why not. As for what will happen to the Shard, we do know: it would either splinter, seek out a new host or become sentient. EDIT: Found a WoB. I'm pretty sure there's one that says a Shard would Splinter without a Vessel, perhaps it was about Ruin and Preservation left after Vin suicide-killed Ati? Actually the voting for that poll is over... Ah. Ok that was one of my less useful posts you're right Oversleep, I thought it was an ongoing pool for June but it's over with the answers to come during June. My bad. With the bow and arrow one I was mistaken I think. He RAFOd a question on it Quote QUESTION A bow, for example? BRANDON SANDERSON They could create, probably...Well, let’s RAFO that one, I’ll show you what’s going to be happening. But I was thinking of a thread where we discussed it. I assume as well that a Shard can be given up but I want confirmation and I'm hoping he gives more detail about it.
Jofwu he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 @maxal, Yeah, it's not an exciting theory with twist potential. Just a backstory for the blade that I suppose is more likely. @Pagerunner, That's a good point. I hadn't given much thought to the last point about who it might belong to. Despite Jezrien's role among the Heralds, I always felt the Bondsmiths played some kind of leadership role. Partly because of Dalinar. Partly because of Ishar's role in their formation. I dunno, a few things like that. You make a very good point though. The only thing holding me back from being ore certain you're right is that Sunraiser doesn't strike me as very Windrunner-y.
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, jofwu said: @maxal, Yeah, it's not an exciting theory with twist potential. Just a backstory for the blade that I suppose is more likely. @Pagerunner, That's a good point. I hadn't given much thought to the last point about who it might belong to. Despite Jezrien's role among the Heralds, I always felt the Bondsmiths played some kind of leadership role. Partly because of Dalinar. Partly because of Ishar's role in their formation. I dunno, a few things like that. You make a very good point though. The only thing holding me back from being ore certain you're right is that Sunraiser doesn't strike me as very Windrunner-y. Yeah, but shouldn't backstories be offered only when relevant if we aren't to drown in it? Why make Elhokar's Blade different if it isn't to use this fact in a future plot twist? If this Blade once belonging to whomever it once belonged to not relevant, than why not make it a normal Shardblade? Hence, whatever it is, it has to play a role even if very small. As for leadership, my personal thoughts are leaders could emerge out of basically any order and while some order are probably more inclined to generate leaders than others (say Windrunners as opposed to Truthwatchers), there ought not to be firm rules. A Bondsmith's first oath is to unite and not divide. Now, we have all taken it as Dalinar needing to unite the whole world, but what if unity could be applied to smaller scope? Haven't I argued Dalinar first needs to unite his own family if he is to try at uniting the world?
+Extesian he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 One thing that occurred to me reading through this again is that it sounded a bit diplomatic-corps. We know that the orders that visited the Cognitive Realm, but particularly the Elsecallers, were emissaries for other Orders to the spren. As to the other orders that were inferior in this visiting of the far realm of spren, the Elsecallers were prodigiously benevolent, allowing others as auxiliary to their visits and interactions; though they did never relinquish their place as prime liaisons with the great ones of the spren; and the Lightweavers and Willshapers both also had an affinity to the same, though neither were the true masters of that realm. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 6, page 2 Perhaps it could be the blade of the head of the Elsecallers at that time, and the spren turned into a blade that marked the KR as basically the chief diplomat, hence ‘representing’ all 10 orders. When the bond was broken and the spren trapped in that form, the glyphs remained.
Jofwu he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 The question about Ruin confuses me. If you want to compare the Shards to universal constants, Ruin is probably the only one that isn't ambiguous. 2
Erandeni he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 18 hours ago, Pagerunner said: The Windrunners were associated with the Jezrien, king of the Heralds. One of the Attributes they're associated with is Leading. If anyone was going to lead the Radiants, I feel it would be a Windrunner. This. I've always imagined Ishar and the Bondsmiths like some sort of merlin-like counselor for Jezrien and the Windrunners.Or maybe the Bondsmiths had the legislative power and Windrunner had the ejecutive power (and judical power for the Skybreakers). 14 hours ago, jofwu said: The question about Ruin confuses me. If you want to compare the Shards to universal constants, Ruin is probably the only one that isn't ambiguous. I find Devotion and specially Cultivation more ambiguous than Ruin.
Oversleep Posted June 2, 2017 Author Posted June 2, 2017 There is an answer posted (it's both on FB and twitter but if you're lazy here's a link).
thegatorgirl00 she/her Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 @Pagerunner I think the idea is that Bondsmiths are able to unite the other, arguing orders. Windrunners might have leading as an attribute, but we also know they didn't always get along with the other orders. I personally believe that the KR usually didn't have one leader. During Desolations, the Heralds would have lead. I imagine the rest of the time a counsel of the leaders of the ten orders met to make decisions around a round table in the top room of Urithiru. I am well aware of the Arthurian imagery in that idea.
Guest Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Oversleep said: There is an answer posted (it's both on FB and twitter but if you're lazy here's a link). I had reasons to want to read this response. I did hope he would talk of Adolin and he did So he does confirm the draft into which Adolin died actually was WoK Prime where he was named Aredor and not the first draft of current WoK. I had wonder about which draft Brandon previously referred to. It is great he is putting Adolin next to Spook as a character who grew on him since we all know how important and well-rounded Spook ended up being. This is a first and it makes me happy. I suspect the third character is Moash.
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