Faceless Mist-Wraith he/him Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I was thinking about the mechanics of Shardblade summoning, namely the ten heartbeats rule and the available mass to be summoned. I started coming up with questions, which lead to more questions. These are all of the questions/half-theories I came up with. How solid is the 10 heartbeat rule? If a person has a pacemaker, or an irregular heartbeat, does it still follow the actual beats the person's heart, or does it only follow the concept of ten heart beats? If a Kandra owned a shardblade, and crafted a body with multiple hearts, would the summoning time be shortened, or would it be based of the beats of one of the hearts? If there was a cyborg from Mistborn Era 4 (the space opera), and the cyborg had an entirely robotic heart, would the cyborg be able to summon a shardblade? If a Feruchemist or Steelrunner tapped steel, would they be able to summon a blade more quickly? If a person owns multiple shard blades, do they need to have ten heartbeats per blade, or could a person conceivably summon multiple blades at once? What are the limitations on size of a live shardblade? Are they based on mass or surface area? Could you summon a really large, but hollow hammer? If you summoned a live shardblade and turned it into a backpack, and then stored something in the shard-backpack, would the item stay in the shard-backpack when it disappears? If your spren was in the Cognitive Realm and it was holding an apple (for sake of discussion), and it was summoned, would the apple travel with the spren? What if the spren swallowed the apple? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) 1: Irregular Heartbeat should follow ten of those beats like it does when your heart-rate is elevated. Pacemaker tries to get the heart to beat at a normal rate, so it should still be 10 actual beats (Also see 3) 2. Not sure, but I think that unless they make a functioning circulatory system that is designed to be run off 2 hearts, they will have to use the 10 beats of the heart being used and not the back-up heart. 3: Here. Quote [–]Phantine 2 points 1 year ago Silly shardblade question: Dick Cheney's artificial heart was a continuous flow model, which meant he had no pulse. If you gave him a shardblade, how would summoning it work? [–]mistborn[S] 10 points 1 year ago You know, I've actually had to think about this. (Not because of Cheney, but because of cosmere applications.) Just as blind people dream differently from people without visuals, I feel a shardbearer without a pulse would end up having another method of representing the way their soul reaches toward a dead shardblade and summons it. But it would vary based on the individual. 4. It would seem faster to us, but it should be the same amount of time for them. Like summoning while in a Speed bubble. Normal time for you is an instant to outsiders 5. Separate summoning time. Quote Cheese Ninja If a character bears multiple Shardblades, can they summon them all in the same 10 heartbeat span, or does each Shardblade require a separate summoning? Dying doesn't count. Brandon Sanderson Separate summoning. 6. We don't know. We know there is an upper limit to Kandra size, but their lower limit is nowhere near Shardfork size, so I'm not sure they equate... 7. That's just RAFO territory. I doubt they would, since the space inside is not actually part of the backpack itself(and therefore not part of the summoned Spren-item). 8. Same as 7, We don't really know, but I think it would stay in the Cognitive since it isn't part of the Spren. After they've eaten it, it should become a non-issue, as it'd be inside the Spren and not need to manifest. Edited May 16, 2017 by The One Who Connects 1 and 3 are not similar enough questions to lump together... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) BTW, a Leeched Shardbearer won't be able to summon Shardblade. (I think this WoB may have not been processed yet - it's from Warsaw signing line) Edited May 16, 2017 by Oversleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, Oversleep said: BTW, a Leeched Shardbearer won't be able to summon Shardblade. (I think this WoB may have not been processed yet - it's from Warsaw signing line) Fascinating. Is this only while they are being Leeched, or does it stay blocked until they draw in more Stormlight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightVoid he/him Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 53 minutes ago, Oversleep said: BTW, a Leeched Shardbearer won't be able to summon Shardblade. (I think this WoB may have not been processed yet - it's from Warsaw signing line) Does this apply to the general population of shardbearers or only to radiants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 My notes say only "Leecher touches Shardbearer - he won't be able to summon the Blade". Quote Q: If a Leecher was holding a Shardbearer and burning aluminum, would the Shardbearer be able to summon their Blade? A: No. But this is coming from @Rasarr's post here. Although that entry in my notes may have come directly from Rasarr and not something I heard, so she is the best source. 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: Fascinating. Is this only while they are being Leeched, or does it stay blocked until they draw in more Stormlight? 1 hour ago, BrightVoid said: Does this apply to the general population of shardbearers or only to radiants? I think it was about Shardbearers, not Radiants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Mist-Wraith he/him Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Oversleep said: BTW, a Leeched Shardbearer won't be able to summon Shardblade. (I think this WoB may have not been processed yet - it's from Warsaw signing line) I was not aware of this. Is this because a Leecher removes Investiture or is there some additional interference with the Cognitive Realm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperNotch he/him Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: A bead of Lerasium, 2000 breaths... And The Lord Mistborn's hemalurgy book. Was that in the right topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEMAGICkMAN Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 For 1, a lot of these magics are based off of perception, so the ten heartbeat rule may not actually be that concrete, but all the in-world characters think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, UpperNotch said: Was that in the right topic? No no it wasn't. I'll fix that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Mist-Wraith he/him Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) I thought of another question that is basically an extension of question #2 and #5. If a kandra owned multiple shard blades, and made a body with 2-3 hearts (for sake of argument), would they be able to assign a shardblade to each heart and summon several shard blades pseudo-simultaneously? Edited May 22, 2017 by Faceless Mist-Wraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 4:10 PM, Oversleep said: My notes say only "Leecher touches Shardbearer - he won't be able to summon the Blade". But this is coming from @Rasarr's post here. Although that entry in my notes may have come directly from Rasarr and not something I heard, so she is the best source. I think it was about Shardbearers, not Radiants. How is the leecher burning aluminum? Do you mean chromium? On 5/16/2017 at 8:25 PM, THEMAGICkMAN said: For 1, a lot of these magics are based off of perception, so the ten heartbeat rule may not actually be that concrete, but all the in-world characters think so. The ten heartbeats is a mechanistic part of summoning dead sprenblades, at least in some part, not a complete perception-induced requirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 10 hours ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said: If a Kandra owned multiple shard blades, and made a body with 2-3 hearts (for sake of argument), would they be able to assign a Shardblade to each heart and summon several shard blades pseudo-simultaneously? That's a bit more cleverly worded than your original one, so props for that. It circumvents the "they would probably use the dominant heart" bit from before by assigning it to each heart, assuming you can do that. Either way, you stand a very high chance of at least 2 of your heartbeats syncing up since there isn't that long of a time between beats. Once that happens, I don't think they would be distinguishable enough to count as separate beats anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 The fact that a direct circulation pump would make the "heartbeats" manifest differently, implies that the heartbeats are a perception masking an underlying principle we don't fully understand. Because of this, I don't think multiple hearts would be able to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: How is the leecher burning aluminum? Do you mean chromium? That's not the question to ask me - the quote box in my post comes from @Rasarr's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, Calderis said: The fact that a direct circulation pump would make the "heartbeats" manifest differently, implies that the heartbeats are a perception masking an underlying principle we don't fully understand. Because of this, I don't think multiple hearts would be able to change anything. Within the Dick Cheney's WoB Brandon mentions the 10 heartbeats merely are the representation of the soul reaching to the dead Blades and it opens the door for "other means to be used" to achieve the same. The question should then be, what happens during those ten heartbeats, which is uncorrelated to time (as different speed have the same results), which allows the summoning of a dead Blade? And how can this be trumped? If the speed of the heartbeats and thus the time in between the summon and the appearance of the dead Blade isn't the requirement, then wouldn't it possible for a Shardbearer to summon his Blade much faster by taping into another connection but his own heartbeats? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr she/her Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: How is the leecher burning aluminum? Do you mean chromium? Yes, I meant chromium. Always confuse those two. @Oversleep, thanks for @-ing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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