I Am Witless she/her Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Is there a post anywhere about hereditary Surgebinding? I've found a few posts mentioning things similar to it, but I can't find a single post about it. I mean, the Kholins do have a lot of Surgebinding, so it might be hereditary, right? Spoiler Dalinar is a Bondsmith, Renarin is a Truthwatcher, Jasnah is a Elsecaller, Elhokar sees twisting shapes in mirrors and strange figures in every corner, and I remember reading something that might be referencing Galivar being a proto-Radiant. However, I understand that spren choose 'their human' (or Listener, or whatever), so I'm not quite sure about how relevant the Kholins are. Any thoughts, or, even better, an actual post about this, hidden somewhere in the depths of the 17th Shard? 1
cloudjumper he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 As far as I can tell, Surgebinding is based solely on character. The spren chooses the human, as you said. The Kholins are probably just a coincidence, as their characters all have traits to match the surgebinding. 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Ok, so multiple questions to address. Surgebinding is not hereditary, but Brandon has said that some Radiants have transferred their Spren Bond to a child in the past. With the Nahel Bond, the Spren chooses who it bonds with, and you have to live by the ideals. If your kid lives that lifestyle, it's more likely, but the decision is ultimately up to the Spren. Regarding the Kholin line: The Spren are looking for people who can actually have an effect(King's family is a good place to have influence for rebuilding the KR) and Brandon has said that Radiants and/or their Spren have a natural instinct to group up. All that said, Cloudjumper is right about character traits. The way that Dalinar and Gavilar brought up their children has an effect on who they are, making them more suitable to bond because they tried to raise them as good people. Edited May 1, 2017 by The One Who Connects 1
+Extesian he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 There was a great WoB settling this at the Boskone signing. Quote Q: Is being a Knight Radiant at all genetic? Because you have Jasnah, Dalinar, and Renarin in the same family. A: It is not genetic, however… Um… Families or people close to one another are more likely. It’s not genetic. So for instance, if everyone were adopted it would still have the same prevalence. Q: Okay, fascinating! A: Um, so there-- Q: [interruption hard to hear] A: Well, there are a couple of reasons for that. One is which, attracting the attention of a spren can mean that other spren are paying attention to that area. There are also things in the Cosmere (the shared universe of them) where people are connected spiritually. Um… and that’s part of the magic as well. So… You are more likely to become a Radiant if you know a Radiant Source 3
Reborn radiant Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 More likely spren are choosing people who are most effective at helping them survive desolation. Remember what Jasnah told shallan about spren bringing them all together? I don't find it particularly hard to believe that spren are choosing lots of Kholins because they are already together and have wonderful character traits. It is NOT genetic though. The spren have to choose the radiant.
Ciridae Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 7 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Brandon has said that some Radiants have transferred their Spren Bond to a child in the past. Woah really? That's really interesting. Does this mean the spren chose the child of the radiant for their next bond after their radiant died, or did a radiant willingly give their bond, with the spren's consent, to their child? Transferred could mean either, but somehow the former seems more likely. If he meant the latter that would be really weird.
retrorocket1 Posted May 4, 2017 Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) On 4/30/2017 at 8:32 PM, The One Who Connects said: Surgebinding is not hereditary, but Brandon has said that some Radiants have transferred their Spren Bond to a child in the past. Does this remind anyone of Elantris Spoiler How seons are passed down from your parents? Edited May 4, 2017 by retrorocket1 1
Calderis he/him Posted May 4, 2017 Posted May 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, retrorocket1 said: Does this remind anyone of Elantris Spoiler Reveal hidden contents How aons are passed down from your parents? I'm assuming you meant seons? 1
retrorocket1 Posted May 4, 2017 Posted May 4, 2017 Also, on topic, I got the impression that it was more, one person stands out, spren come to check the validity of potential surgebinder, and talk to their friend spren. Their friend spren decide to follow them in binding to knights and so find the closest suitable candidate for the spren. I figured the skewing towards the kholin family was due to the honor Dalinar instilled in his children and also possibly his connection to the way of kings which the original knights founded their beliefs on.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 5, 2017 Posted May 5, 2017 On 5/3/2017 at 11:28 PM, retrorocket1 said: Does this remind anyone of Elantris Spoiler Hide contents How seons are passed down from your parents? It's supposed to. That's why the person asked him if Spren could do that. On 5/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, retrorocket1 said: I got the impression that it was more, one person stands out, Spren come to check the validity of potential Surgebinder, and talk to their friend Spren. Their friend Spren decide to follow them in binding to knights and so find the closest suitable candidate for the Spren. That's up to the Spren in question. Wyndle conferred with people, Syl probably acted alone. Pattern could've done either, Ivory probably conferred with people, etc..
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