CCQ Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) I have a theory as to what Hoid is trying to do. Adonalsium was shattered into 16 different shards and while it may be to hard to start collecting the full power of the shards Hoid is trying to make himself a mini Adonalsium by collecting a bit of each shards power. What would that end up making him? Has anyone suggested this before? Edited April 26, 2017 by CCQ typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa he/him Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) On 4/26/2017 at 2:02 PM, CCQ said: Has anyone suggested this before? Yeah, I've seen it several times here already. I tried looking, and the earliest instance of "mini Adonalsium" in the forums that I could find is in this post by Cheese Ninja back in 2011, and I suspect one would find older instances of this theory using better search keywords. Other popular theories in this vein include "Hoid is trying to unite all the Shards back and reforge Adonalsium" and "Hoid once held Adonalsium". In my opinion the "mini Adonalsium" idea is the most interesting, but then I really just want to see Hoid collecting more bits of Investiture. Edited April 29, 2017 by skaa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness he/him Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 as Skaa said, it has been bounced around, and I do believe it's a good sign that so many people have the same ideas independently. I created a very similar theory thread back in.... Probably 2012/2013? Anyway, dont give up on it! Just because we've discuss it previously doesn't mean we caught everything. If I remember correctly, none of the threads reached a conclusion, because we just don't have enough info yet. Something I'm looking forward to is Brandon has mentioned that in the distant future we will have past and present day books featuring Hoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 This is my favourite idea for Hoid, nuanced around him basically trying to get Connection to every Shard without being limited by it (without the investiture interfering and so on). We know that Hoid rejected one of the Shards so he doesn't seem to want to be powerful in the way Odium is, powerful but limited. So I suspect it's around being Connected to everything. I haven't finessed why that would be so useful. And this topic reminds me of one of my favourite recent WoBs. Quote Q: If Hemalurgy can be used to transfer Investiture regardless of the planet, is someone gathering pieces of different Investitures the way Hoid for example got lerasium bead. A: Yes. Hema-Hoid! Kelsier is a popular idea for it, I wonder if it could be Khriss (in light of her interest in hemalurgy). I hope it's not just a Bad Guy, but something more interesting. But this feels similar to me, basically trying to get Connected, perhaps more than just getting cool powers. But yeah I think it's all conjecture at this stage. But conjecture worth conjecturin'! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS03 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Is there a distance from Scadrial in which a sufficiently Hemalurgically altered being can't be controlled by Harmony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, MoS03 said: Is there a distance from Scadrial in which a sufficiently Hemalurgically altered being can't be controlled by Harmony? Probably out of Scadrial you will be quite safe, the problem is Hemalurgy opens yourself not only to Ruin or Harmony...It literally exposes your Soul to everyone with the skill or power. Ruin was simply the best in this Edited May 1, 2017 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Yata said: Probably out of Scadrial you will be quite safe, the problem is Hemalurgy open yourself not only to Ruin or Harmony...It literally exposes your Soul to everyone with the skill or power. Ruin was simply the best in this "Everyone with the skill or power" also includes any Shards that happen to be in the area, so "out of Scadrial" the danger has not abated. In fact, it probably increased. Hemalurgy. Not even once. Edited May 1, 2017 by Landis963 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, Landis963 said: "Everyone with the skill or power" also includes any Shards that happen to be in the area, so "out of Scadrial" the danger has not abated. Personally, i think he meant "safe" in the sense about from Harmony's control, and the next bit was a separate thought about the danger not just being from R&P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Landis963 said: "Everyone with the skill or power" also includes any Shards that happen to be in the area, so "out of Scadrial" the danger has not abated. In fact, it probably increased. Hemalurgy. Not even once. 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: Personally, i think he meant "safe" in the sense about from Harmony's control, and the next bit was a separate thought about the danger not just being from R&P. Yeah, my point was that also far from Harmony's reach, your soul is exposed to all' kind of influences. For example a voidspren could in theory use your cracks in the soul to influence you a bit like se saw with the Listeners. (I think there is a WoB about) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Yata said: Yeah, my point was that also far from Harmony's reach, your soul is exposed to all' kind of influences. For example a voidspren could in theory use your cracks in the soul to influence you a bit like se saw with the Listeners. (I think there is a WoB about) There's a similar discussion in another thread at the moment. Here's useful WoB. Quote CADMIUM Well, yes. hmm. We... we've seen someone with a hemallurgic spike communicate or under the control of Ruin or Harmony. Can other spikes communi, sorry no people, well Shards... ugh so nervous." (Trying to get it accurate.) Brandon looks a little confused at me, but smiles. "Can other *Shards* communicate or control those individuals?" BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. Good Question. Yes... *scribbles* They can certainly communicate... QUESTION (I excitedly, but rudely, interrupt a bit) To what extent? BRANDON SANDERSON not to the extent that Ruin did. The others could communicate but it'd be vague or faint, not as direct as Ruin was. He connects to us, well, them through the little bit of Preservation that he had or could touch. Because the spike pierces the soul. QUESTION What about on other planets than Scadrial? BRANDON SANDERSON It'd work the same way. but again probably vaguer or fainter. Might go unnoticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS03 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Yes, that's all quite clear. My question is basically just a way of discovering whether Ruin/Harmony communicated through the Cognitive or Spiritual Realm. Distance being a factor in one and not the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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